How do you know



  • I was wondering how some people know that an anime did bad in Japan. When I go to threads asking if there is going to be another season of the show some people answer, "It did bad in Japan so I doubt it" (something along those lines). Is there a website you can check?



  • AnimeNewsNetwork posts TV ratings, DVD sales charts, movie box office reports, etc. of anime and anime-related things (CDs, live-action movies, etc.) in Japan.
    You can also look up Oricon lists and such yourself. I think the Oricon website has pretty good archives of their rankings (bestseller lists, like the Billboard charts here.)

    Japanese DVD sales are basically the main area where anime makes back its money, so those are important indicators as to whether or not they'd put money into more.



  • Thanks for your help :)



  • There is at least one site in English that specialises in collating this sort of information: http://www.someanithing.com/
    Their FAQ explains where they obtain their information.

    There used to be much stock in fandom circles placed in something called the "Manabi Line" for the break even point of sales (i.e. if a title sold less copies than Gakuen Utopia Manabi Straight it was considered a flop), but that has been pretty much debunked since disc sales are only one factor to consider when it comes to success or otherwise of a property (i.e. you may also need to take into account factors like the sales of associated books, CDs and figures)

    You may also find this article helpful: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2012-03-05



  • Thx for also helping me :)



  • Heh… totally called it on Grimgar... its #3 in BD/DVD



  • place on the the chart is irrelevant. only thing that matters is how its selling. a decent 4k total for vol 1 in a pretty barren winter season



  • Wouldn't matter Getchman,

    Grimgar would have sold regardless, and if you notice… its the anime specifically that's selling... not necessarily the manga or light novel (though they have benefitted)...

    Here's why I saw it coming...

    It takes a very soft and eclectic art style, blends it in with some pretty outstanding voice acting, and then throws in very intense emotional aspects. So it keeps its overall beauty while at the same time portraying a lot of ugliness. its almost designed from the ground up to tweak emotional strings in people very subtly and without them noticing until.. BINGO... they're hooked.

    I've even seen people who SAID... they didn't like it... yet.. episode in and episode out... they were still hooked... they just didn't know why it was so addictive to them.

    So they sit there and lie to themselves... but are hooked nonetheless. They never stood a chance.



  • right i understand all that. my only point here is that the place it is at on the list doesn't matter and that even though its only 4k, it's nice to see something this winter do marginally well. this season isn't looking too great. Konosuba is likely the only one that's going to produce really good numbers



  • @Phoenixus:

    Grimgar would have sold regardless

    Well, yeah. The matter is if it sold well or poorly. 5,000 units sold is generally a good number for success, and anything between 3,000 - 5,000 is in the "decent" range. Obviously it varies from show to show the amount of production value that went into it as well as the supplementary merchandise surrounding the series, so we will never really know if Grimgar is actually making a profit

    In the context of the shows in 2015 that sold about as well, Grimgar is projected to be around the same tier as Working season 3, Yuru Yuri season 3, Fate/Kaleid liner Prisma Illya 2wei Herz!, Himouto! Umaru-chan, and Testament of Sister New Devil. I will let you decide if that's good company or not



  • Well, yeah. The matter is if it sold well or poorly. 5,000 units sold is generally a good number for success, and anything between 3,000 - 5,000 is in the "decent" range. Obviously it varies from show to show the amount of production value that went into it as well as the supplementary merchandise surrounding the series, so we will never really know if Grimgar is actually making a profit

    Heh. Well actually,

    I liked Umaru-chan (was hilarious) and Testament of Sister New Devil.

    And Testament got a second season, but neither one had the actual power to suck people in the way Grimgar did.

    That's 4,200 sold in ONE week… ie its opener, so its likely going to go far past the 5,000 mark...



  • Also, keep in mine of "relative performance" as well.

    In cases, such as 2008-09 period whereas the world economy was falling off a cliff; if a series wasn't "the best" then it may have been canceled, even if by today's standards it was very good: Case in Point "Spice and Wolf". In cases that the studios are financially distressed they will only fund a limited quantity of projects, even if others are profitable, due to capital restraints (not enough money).

    So, although charts are a good idea of performance, in some cases it is not the only determining factor to an ANime's future.


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