Where is the fanservice line?



  • So I just binged the hell out of Code:Geass yesterday, I am kind of iffy on how I should feel about it but that's a different thing. As I watched I noticed some scenes where they were kind of fanservicey but I had a hard time just generalizing it as fanservice. Like when Kallen (that's how her name is spelled right?) was in her room laying down on the bed in nothing but her underwear. I mean given where she was and possibly the time of day that would be what most people would wear right? There are the obvious fanservices, usually you could tell based on the camera angle and how characters are drawn (you could probably figure out what I mean by drawn) but there are other times where I have to question if it IS fanservice or if it is how it should be played out in a normal situation.

    Another example would be in Future Diary when bomb girl (name escapes me) was held captive by the deaf diary owner, she was panties short of being completely nude!

    The question I'm trying to get at: is there a time where the beach episode isn't a fan service episode or the anime girl in her room just in her underwear isn't a fan service or the girl in the shower not a fan service? What if they are being held prisoner and she can't prevent herself from being stripped?

    Obviously this isn't just limited to female characters but it is most prevalent with the female characters. These series of questions presented themselves while I was watching Code:Geass oddly enough xD



  • Most people consider fan service nudity or panty shots, plain and simple. However, just because nudity is in the show doesn't necessarily mean it's meant as fan service. Same with panty shots, though that more often than not is, sometimes, it might be there for some realism(if the girl's in a short skirt and the wind is blowing or something). As you mentioned with 9th(can't remember her name either now) and 12th's hostage scene, sometimes a character may be in a situation that they can't control. The character being in underwear or a bathing suit, probably just depends on the viewer's opinion or the situation.

    there a time where the beach episode isn't a fan service episode

    Go watch Another for one example of yes to this question.



  • @ForlornBeliever:

    Go watch Another for one example of yes to this question.

    Yes it is quite the killer episode…



  • I'll break it down for you in the best way I know.

    @darthrutsula:

    The question I'm trying to get at: is there a time where the beach episode isn't a fan service episode

    Almost never. Beach episodes are a staple of anime television series, and is 100% an excuse to see girls (and guys, more on that below) in their swimsuits. As previously mentioned, however, Another has the most notorious beach episode in anime.

    or the anime girl in her room just in her underwear isn't a fan service or the girl in the shower not a fan service?

    Again, it's almost always fanservice; it doesn't really matter if it's a natural setting. Although changing clothes and bathing/showering are basic habits for maintaining proper hygiene, it's also an opportunity to show them in the nude - or close to it. The only exception I could think of would be is if something extreme happens, like what happens to the Princess in Aldnoah.Zero.

    What if they are being held prisoner and she can't prevent herself from being stripped?

    This is definitely a topic that has been discussed before; regarding situations where you either sympathize with the victim or their captor(s). If it's the former, then it is definitely not fanservice. Most would feel uncomfortable watching something like that, but I'll say this: there are definitely some weird fetishes in anime being pandered to.

    ! By the way, the bomber's name is Minene Uryuu ~_^

    Obviously this isn't just limited to female characters but it is most prevalent with the female characters.

    Whether or not it's true, you can thank the stereotypical belief that guys are the more perverted sex. And since there is so much disparity, there is unfortunately a lot material that gets watered down on our side. Girls, on the other hand, get slightly better quality in their fanservice. Less is more!

    These series of questions presented themselves while I was watching Code:Geass oddly enough xD

    Not surprising, really. Despite its popularity, I've heard Geass being called shallow and pandering. Can't say I disagree with those criticisms with characters like C.C. and Kallen being two of Lelouch's biggest allies.



  • As far as I'm concerned, fanservice is generally any unusual angle designed primarily to show off some part or all of a character's body. Though Kallen in her underwear in her room isn't an unusual situation in and of itself, the fact that viewers get this intimate look at her, as opposed to, like, a shot in just pajamas or whatever, would classify it as fanservice to me. Stuff like low-angle shots to show off legs or a high-angle shot to show off cleavage, even in perfectly normal wear, would also classify as fanservice to me

    I'd typically say that if you think a scene or a shot is pandering to a lecherous audience, you're probably correct. But there are some instances where this isn't true. The only misleading scene I can think of off the top of my head is one scene in Haganai at the water park which is pretty difficult to explain in more than one sentence so I won't bother unless someone is interested enough for me to explain it



  • What are you asking about here?
    Is Geass a fanservice show? In 2006 it was but now… there are a lot of shows that go a lot further than that.

    Is flashing/nudity "fanservice"? It is if you want it to be. A lot of people might not think it's fanservice in the second episode when Suzaku is in the medical van with no shirt and bandages around his chest. I do. Because I think it's hot. Was it intended that way? Who knows. What about in episode 13 when Lelouch is shirtless twice? What about their gorgeous faces, and their hair? Honestly, I wish they both had more shirtless scenes, but if I had to choose between seeing more of their bodies and seeing more movement in their hair, I'd choose the hair. Which we get some of in Akito. Not to mention Akito's butt. Akito has a really nice butt.
    Why does there have to be a line? Why can't you just say "I think that's hot" when you feel that way and ignore it if you don't? Unless the show is specifically a "fanservice-genre" show (in which case, it's clear)... Things have those moments. Are you trying to say fanservice is wrong, and she shouldn't be naked on her bed in her room, even if that makes the show more enjoyable for some people? That's just part of the thing.
    If you're trying to make a point about the show's "attitude towards women" or whatever... there are a lot of really well-written female characters in important positions (top scientists, generals, rulers, etc.) who aren't looked down on or limited because of their gender, and if you're assuming they are just because the animators like their bodies... that's you. That's not the writing.



  • @Riles:

    As far as I'm concerned, fanservice is generally any unusual angle designed primarily to show off some part or all of a character's body. Though Kallen in her underwear in her room isn't an unusual situation in and of itself, the fact that viewers get this intimate look at her, as opposed to, like, a shot in just pajamas or whatever, would classify it as fanservice to me. Stuff like low-angle shots to show off legs or a high-angle shot to show off cleavage, even in perfectly normal wear, would also classify as fanservice to me

    I'd typically say that if you think a scene or a shot is pandering to a lecherous audience, you're probably correct. But there are some instances where this isn't true. The only misleading scene I can think of off the top of my head is one scene in Haganai at the water park which is pretty difficult to explain in more than one sentence so I won't bother unless someone is interested enough for me to explain it

    That Haganai scene you refer, would "Yaoi hole" be a good enough summaration on what you're getting at? If it is, I think I know what you're getting at.
    So pretty much when a character is being shown in a compromising/revealing way that would be fanservice? Gotcha.

    I largely started this thread because the way people usually talk about this stuff they make it seem like fan service is just black and white.

    Is Geass a fanservice show? In 2006 it was but now… there are a lot of shows that go a lot further than that.

    I would say it is but in a different way. And while I will say that there are female characters in important positions they tend to be drawn in a way that wouldn't work for someone in their position in the real world, or at least the ones I can think of on the dot.

    Not surprising, really. Despite its popularity, I've heard Geass being called shallow and pandering. Can't say I disagree with those criticisms with characters like C.C. and Kallen being two of Lelouch's biggest allies.

    Probably how I would describe Geass actually, it was good but really really REALLY predictable… for me.

    Whether or not it's true, you can thank the stereotypical belief that guys are the more perverted sex. And since there is so much disparity, there is unfortunately a lot material that gets watered down on our side. Girls, on the other hand, get slightly better quality in their fanservice. Less is more!

    I will fault that it probably is my perception about females typically getting the FS bat most largely because of what I watch, which are mostly harems… I think.



  • @Fiammetta:

    Is Geass a fanservice show? In 2006 it was

    I don't think Geass was ever anything more than a show with fanservice scenes, which is quite different from being a fanservice show. Time displacement isn't going to change this assessment

    @darthrutsula:

    That Haganai scene you refer, would "Yaoi hole" be a good enough summaration on what you're getting at? If it is, I think I know what you're getting at.

    No. It was something a lot more mundane that most people would probably just write off as casual fanservice. It was some scene where Sena asks Kodaka some question that he finds nonchalant but is really important to her, and it shows a shot of her sitting in her bathing suit from I think the neck down. It'd be easy to assume this was just your run-of-the-mill fanservice shot showing off her boobs, belly, and legs, but when she waits for his response she instinctively sucks in her stomach like she's bracing herself. Then when she answers, her muscles relax, and her stomach is pushed back out. It was pretty subtle, but it was a great nonverbal indicator of how Sena was feeling at the time, not necessarily to show off her goods, as it were. Haganai is full of subtle nonverbal communication like that, which is great to see even though it's buried deep under the show's general treatment of Sena



  • You know… far be it from me to interrupt...

    But... I fail to see why or how fan service is somehow "bad"...

    I happen to enjoy it, which is why I tend to like a lot of Harem and Ecchi anime. They tend to be great light hearted comedies.

    I personally am not into Yuri or Yaoi. So I don't watch those... but I can tolerate a little of it so longs as its more of a joke... still... too much turns me off quick.

    Example: Mayo Chiki (which I liked) is actually about the absurdity and stupidity of assuming someone is gay... when... they are not, which plays into the comedy. It's not about Yaoi... that's the joke. So all these people are trying to shove their delusional fantasies on them repeatedly. (Yes I know the feeling). Then of course, there's Suzutski Kanade which is basically trying to shove every sadistic fetish she can think of on him.



  • Another example:
    The Haganai reference in one of the above posts… there it really got overdone at times. I literally had to skip the "Homo game club" episode. I was just like... ewww... BUT... Rika's Robot Porn fetish episode was hysterical.



  • @Phoenixus:

    Example: Mayo Chiki (which I liked) is actually about the absurdity and stupidity of assuming someone is gay… when... they are not, which plays into the comedy. It's not about Yaoi... that's the joke.

    It's a joke that derives itself from homophobia (of which Shomin Sample is also a large offender), so that's actually the worst kind of bad



  • @Phoenixus:

    You know… far be it from me to interrupt...

    But... I fail to see why or how fan service is somehow "bad"...

    I happen to enjoy it, which is why I tend to like a lot of Harem and Ecchi anime. They tend to be great light hearted comedies.

    I wasn't intending to say it is a bad thing but rather it puts off people from watching a certain show. Like I tried to recommend High School DxD to my brother but he couldn't ignore all the breasts, whereas for me it wasn't until he pointed it out that I realized just how much there was. I don't watch it for the boobs but I have a friend who will probably watch it just for the boobs and I have a brother that can't watch it because of the boobs. Much like a school setting, the amount of fan service can be off putting for people especially based on how the show is supposed to be. I can't take a rebellion against the empire seriously if the war is waged by high school students who still go to school.


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