Why do Ecchi/Haram anime have a social stigma, but teen movies don't?



  • Before you answer the poll, please read below.

    As you know, Ecchi/Harem anime is one of the popular genres of anime, but the issue is when one person mentions it, most people shame them for enjoying the genre. However, the same people that do the shaming watch movies that are no different from Ecchi/Harams called Teen Movies (particularly teen sex comedies). With them making millions in the Box Office in the past, CLEARLY there's a market for the genre.

    These movies include the American Pie series, Porky's series, The Girl Next Door, Revenge of the Nerds (First one), Superbad, Project X, etc. These movies are similar with a main male character in school wanting to "get it on" with girls but are too shy about it and depend on a bunch of idiot friends to help them along the way.

    Compared to Ecchi/Harems, they seem to lead in foul language, drugs, alcohol, and actual sex while Ecchi/Harems just have more nudity and violence.

    For example, alcohol is very rare in Ecchi/Harams in series such as Campione! , Maken-Ki, Sekirei, and Highschool DxD (briefly) while teen movies always have underage drinkers. Is it a Japan thing to not show underage drinking in anime?

    Another example is drugs. To date, no series that I know of has characters that take illegal drugs while in teen movies they are really prevalent. Again, is it considered a bad thing in Japan for anime characters to take illegal drugs even in adult anime?

    And finally, actual sex. This is pretty obvious that it never happens in Ecchi/Harams and for teen movies, it's the ultimate goal and the plot. Is it taboo to show characters doing it in anime and not be classified as hentai? Teen movies seem to get away with it and get the R Rating, PLUS, in some cases they don't even show the characters do it but acknowledge that they did it (one of them lighting a cigarette in bed and getting dressed). One show that did this well is the first episode of Death Parade.

    So in summary, why do you think the social stigma exist? Is it just people are "not interested" or does the marketing seem to be weak? Imagine if the roles were reverse where American Pie was animated and never live action and Highschool DxD was Live action and was never made into an anime?



  • Has more to do with the difference in people. Us anime watchers tend to sway either way with the ecchi. Personally I really do not care about harems or ecchi, believe it or not, some actually have a good story (DxD first to come to mind). But some can't get past the fanservice, which again I don't care about boobs on a screen. I do however care about those that may come into my room to see what I'm watching.

    Those that watch those "teen movies" view anime as just hentai or aren't even aware that its an anime and just think of it as a cartoon (DBZ). Which makes me wonder that if they're completely unaware of anime as a genre of entertainment, how did they come to think of it as cartoon sex? Pr0n sites op.

    High School DxD may have a live action, but its not under the title of DxD that's for sure. Most likely not because how many japanese women actually are capable of getting the bust size of: Rias Akeno Xenovia Irina. I am unfamiliar with japanese people but I'm pretty sure the stereotype is that they have small breasts.

    Its all about the demographics, I myself don't care about fanservice and actually tend to steer away from those fanservice heavy shows if they don't have some sort of content that I find interesting which is why I like DxD Date a Live or Hyperdimension Neptunia. The other harems I have watched were largely meh and I watched them because I liked the laugh.



  • America is built on a puritan foundation that feels much more uncomfortable about nudity and sexual imagery than more socially acceptable things like drugs and alcohol. Japan is the opposite, and their entertainment media reflects that. Add to the fact that the average American audience views animation as something aimed at children, and it should be obvious why ecchi is viewed negatively

    There's also the matter of the content in ecchi itself, which focuses more on odd angles and fanservice shots than characters actually horndogging, the latter of which is much more relatable to a teen audience



  • @Riles:

    There's also the matter of the content in ecchi itself, which focuses more on odd angles and fanservice shots than characters actually horndogging, the latter of which is much more relatable to a teen audience

    I agree, even in teen films the focus wasn't really around naughty shots unless they take place in a pool or a party.



  • Another reason may be that that being aroused,titillated, etc. by live action is considered by many to be understandable and natural (even if they have moral objections to such content) while they may view the same from a "cartoon" as weird or unnatural.



  • I don't see how teen movies don't have a social stigma



  • @TheAncientOne:

    Another reason may be that that being aroused,titillated, etc. by live action is considered by many to be understandable and natural (even if they have moral objections to such content) while they may view the same from a "cartoon" as weird or unnatural.

    Can you recall Jessica Rabbit in Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Holli Wood from Cool World?



  • Trust me, I know people who actually enjoy them and admit it.



  • Because big america media make billions off teen angsty porn like the twilight series and take a kill or be killed attitude tward any media that draws a penny from their cash cows. The way they see it, every ecchi/ anime fan is lost revinue. That is why they have to throw all their coperate resources into anti anime propiganda. Also the same big coperate media attacks the multi billion game industry. They see it a s a threat to their steady stream of diarriah that they assume we all need to suck up with a straw ;-)



  • @Labyrinth2_0:

    Can you recall Jessica Rabbit in Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Holli Wood from Cool World?

    Those are clearly adult characters so their being "drawn that way" isn't as stigmatizing. Most ecchi/harem characters are early 20's max, more often mid/late teens, and thus borderline if not actual jailbait. The social taboos towards sexualizing younger teenagers are stronger in the U.S. than in Japan, at least it seems that way to me (I could be wrong). Throw in the "cartoons are for kids" stereotype in the U.S. for added squick-tential.



  • @rwoodard:

    Throw in the "cartoons are for kids" stereotype in the U.S. for added squick-tential.

    Apparently, people who say that either watch or have not heard of South Park, Family Guy, Simpsons, and all the adult swim shows.

    Also, in most states, the consent age is between 16 - 18 with 16 being the most common, plus, most people in High school think about these things anyway.



  • @bernie1972:

    Because big america media make billions off teen angsty porn like the twilight series and take a kill or be killed attitude tward any media that draws a penny from their cash cows. The way they see it, every ecchi/ anime fan is lost revinue. That is why they have to throw all their coperate resources into anti anime propiganda. Also the same big coperate media attacks the multi billion game industry. They see it a s a threat to their steady stream of diarriah that they assume we all need to suck up with a straw

    Proof? Apparently, a well educated person who does research wouldn't fall for this crap mainstream media throws out.



  • @darthrutsula:

    Those that watch those "teen movies" view anime as just hentai or aren't even aware that its an anime and just think of it as a cartoon (DBZ). Which makes me wonder that if they're completely unaware of anime as a genre of entertainment, how did they come to think of it as cartoon sex? Pr0n sites op.

    Oh the hypocrisy.



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  • That…huh...

    I'm starting to wonder why I'd minimise the tab if someone walked into my room and I was watching Nisekoi and not if I was watching...well I don't know any teen films but the point is I'd probably leave it on. Maybe because there's no way you'd have underage nudity on screen in a live action film whereas it's more ambiguous in animation.

    And I guess it's just my expectations of other people's expectations. If I was watching a film then I suppose a hypothetical observer wouldn't know it different from just any other film, whereas with an anime I'd want to explain that yes, those are breasts, but it's not one of those shows. Like, there's entirely zero tentacles. Not even one.



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  • I believe Americans are bigots by nature and live a double standard . . . essentially a lie. They praise movies like "Can't Buy Me Love," "Fast Times at Ridgemont High," and "Weird Science" as good movies they enjoyed, Yet, when faced with personal experience of those same acts, they scream against it publicly in fear of ridicule or stigma. Closet hentai.

    Don't stereotype Japanese. I met a Japanese girl with a Swiss lineage and she could give Rias or Akeno a run for their money. Porn in Japan would be considered soft porn in the US and they don't show anything below the waist line. Though some people think they are more accepting to hentai, when actually faced in that situation, they get embarrassed like everyone else.

    I guess the difference between Americans and Japanese is kindness and acceptance. Though Japanese might not agree with Ecchi/Harem (Hentai), they are kind enough to accept who you are.

    Americans are more aggressive, self-absorbed and less understanding. They bend and conform to social norms (democracy) and worry what other people think. They stereotype Anime with cartoons being immature, "meant for kids" and become appalled when something Ecchi shows up. But hey, Vampire Diaries is just fine.

    I enjoyed High School DxD, Sekirei, Absolute Duo, Dragonar Academy, Lord Marksman and Vanadis, Campione! and Diamon King Diamao.



  • Anime in general doesn't get the respect it deserves. People look at it and either think/say: Oh that's just cartoons for children there for shouldn't be taken seriously or that's for perverts and losers with no life. Yet these same hypocrites watch live action Movies and TV shows with the exact same content, but they don't say anything about it. HOW DARE YOU watch violent gory anime like Hellsing says the guy who watches The Walking Dead every Sunday like its their religion. HOW DARE YOU watch an anime that features incest yet the same person watches Game Of Thrones which has characters engaging in incest too and characters born of it. Its reeally stupid that even in this day in age anime is still treated like this.



  • @darkmatterkakine said in Why do Ecchi/Haram anime have a social stigma, but teen movies don't?:

    Oh that's just cartoons for children there for shouldn't be taken seriously or that's for perverts and losers with no life.

    It is because large majority of anime content is school-age humans; vs other stuff u listed, which characters are all generally +30 years and up.

    ......

    In terms of premise of this thread, the off-putting tones and style of anime to "typical Americans" accentuate the sexual themes. Because Japanese males in anime do not act "normal", are "embarrassed" at their sexual nature, it makes the cultural differences more observable.

    Americans, are not "sexual cowards", in other words. Thus, sexual content in media is visually subdued; a background plotline to the story. There are no "nosebleed scenes in Hollywood". No "spend '2 years' before asking girl out on date". No "panic after (unintentionally) handling female breasts".

    So as to anime, it seems "pery" by comparison. I can explain a bit further, if neccessary.



  • I could be set apart by cultural differences and lack of a desire to understand other cultures (or narcissistic belief in their own culture).

    A friend and I were in a different country and he said that the people should be speaking English because it was the number one spoken language in the world. That was an arrogant and disrespectful comment to make in public.

    We Americans have certain liberties and some take that too far. So much so that if someone doesn't conform to their Ideals, they will impose their values until they are accepted, infringing on other people's liberties and beliefs. Some examples would be an old lady sitting on a porch criticizing how children are being raise across the street and calling Children and Youth, or someone getting flamed in a forum for expressing their opinion.

    Everyone has their own image of "what should be." Some people will acknowledge and accept that person's point view, but say it's not for me if they don't agree (Japanese). Others won't acknowledge or accept that person's point of view, which usually ends on an argument or a brawl (Americans). Politicians don't have a personal opinion, just a public opinion, swayed by the majority, if they want to be re-elected.

    Everything is stereotyped and stigmatized out of ignorance, fear or refusal to understand.



  • @thegrandalliance said in Why do Ecchi/Haram anime have a social stigma, but teen movies don't?:

    @darkmatterkakine said in Why do Ecchi/Haram anime have a social stigma, but teen movies don't?:

    Oh that's just cartoons for children there for shouldn't be taken seriously or that's for perverts and losers with no life.

    Americans, are not "sexual cowards", in other words. Thus, sexual content in media is visually subdued; a background plotline to the story. There are no "nosebleed scenes in Hollywood". No "spend '2 years' before asking girl out on date". No "panic after (unintentionally) handling female breasts".

    So as to anime, it seems "pery" by comparison. I can explain a bit further, if neccessary.

    Or just flat out unrealistic. Some people understand the difference between an accident and intentional.

    A friend and I were in a different country and he said that the people should be speaking English because it was the number one spoken language in the world. That was an arrogant and disrespectful comment to make in public.

    A comment like that greatly depends on the context and target audience. And its arrogant and disrespectful to just say someone's opinion is wrong/stupid. Especially since English is pretty much the only open-source language in the world as it allows you to use a word from a different language with ease. Something most others cannot do. That and the world would be so much easier to live in with a defacto international language (not saying it HAS to be English but just A language)


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