Why I boycott funimation



  • @P.J. I never really gave any thought to lessons, but don't really have the time to be able to dedicate to such an undertaking. Honestly, the only reason I've been able to get on the forum this much this week is because of the flu. Having said all that, I do live in the US, and can make suggestions about how to get practice as a result. Apps like "meet up" often have foreign language groups which are either done or as a language exchange or lessons. At least in my area there are both. Likewise, universities often have cultural exchange groups which tend to draw foreign students. I've used all three at one point or another.

    I honestly believe the only reason I managed to stick with my language studies for so long is because it became a hobby of it's own very early on. Because of the conjugations and phrases used in the Japanese language, it's very easy to get discouraged at the start before really learning how to put a sentence together. I personally went through this stage when I realized that I knew a couple thousand words, but couldn't understand what was being said in anime. I'd recognize words, but the conjugation connecting it to the rest of the sentence, giving it context, would make it nearly impossible to understand at the rate it was being spoken. However, I also study Japanese culture and history as part of this hobby, and was developing those reading skills fast enough to maintain my interest in the language.

    The first "real" success I had with spoken language was when I decided I was going to try to translate a song. I'd been studying for just under 2 years at that point, and wanted to know what the song was about. It took me almost 8 hours to translate "Make my Day" by Piko, but I was proud of the fact that I actually managed to do it. This is also about the time that I started to focus more on what anime were saying rather than subtitles. I REALLY hated subtitles because of the reading aspect drawing away from the show, but did it in small segments rather than trying to watch an entire show. Make it as far as not understanding what was said, and look up the word or write out the sentence to try to break down the grammar. Eventually, this got to the point that i would binge 12-13 episodes and have a list of words or grammar to look up.

    My method of studying (because anime, manga, and light novels play such a major part) earned me the nickname Itami, because of the Gate main character, while living in Japan. When the Japanese anime fans, and school anime club, give you a nickname like that it may be a bit more than a hobby.

    Having typed all that, and not really sure where I got off topic, I'm always happy to discuss Japanese language (remember that it is a hobby) or offer assistance with topics which may not always be immediately obvious. Some commonly used phrases can't be translated word for word, but the phrase will have it's own meaning as a whole. The best example of this that I can immediately think of is "sono ma ma ni". If taken word by word, sono = that, ma ma = so so, ni (in this case) means in. As a phrase, it's the same as saying "that's fine as it is". The same ni (there are various different grammatical uses for particles which can be broken up but will always follow set rules) is often seen in phrases which refer to personal feelings. Honto ni (honestly? phrased as a question) and betsu ni ("I don't have an opinion", "I have nothing to add to this subject" or "I don't care") are other commonly used examples of the same ni.

    I'll blame the flu for this wall of very random text, or my enjoyment of discussing the language, which ever you choose. However, I'm always willing to discuss the language, but may not be able to immediately answer questions or respond because of life.



  • @MordethKai said in Why I boycott funimation:

    @GoldCrusader said in Why I boycott funimation:

    I just think at this point you are making a mountain out of nothing honestly. Prison school went too far and they apologized. Nothing else they changed actually felt impactful. I'm going to be honest and say i never notices these controversial changes when I watch FUNi's dub and only actually see them when people bring them up.But hey if these 2 or 3 changes in 1 or 2 anime makes you feel cheated you have every right to not give FUNi any money. I personally think FUNimation produced some od their best dubs recently, so I sure as hell won't boycott.

    Also do remember, if you try to convince people about something like this, this isn't the right place. People here won't agree with you. I sure won't with some of the absolutely disgusting and awful things you said. Go try a place with people watching sub stuff, I'm sure you'll get a little traction.

    'disgustingly awful', heaven forbid anyone point out the growing trend of sex pests parading as feminists to avoid suspicion.

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    I'm just saying but... you are allowed to have beliefs that contradict your own actions.

    Hell the first and third most prominent religions in the world seem to run on that ideology. (I don't know about Hinduism to make this assumption)



  • If anyone wants to see honorifics used to the extreme, try Hakuoki. Even for a period piece, it doesn't really work.



  • @pleco_breeder said in Why I boycott funimation:

    For example, sensei (although often used when talking to a teacher) doesn't actually translate as teacher... it's actually a step higher than senpai.

    I just got an hit up about this statement, and didn't realize it would be so controversial because of the way modern Japanese is taught. Because of this, and so there is no mis-understanding, I wanted to add a couple of anime references where the word sensei is used outside of the general "sensei = teacher" English translation system. The most obvious is "Eromanga Sensei", but it's also frequently used in discussions in Re: Creators. The actual definition, because a single word translation is not possible, is something more similar to "Someone who has developed a level of skill to readily be recognized as a specialist." Often, artists, writers, or craftsmen will use this to defer respect to someone they admire within their craft. The same line of reason applies to why students use the term to refer to teachers.



  • Thank you for the information; would imagine not the easiest thing especially while you are under the weather.

    Hoping that you feel better,

    Sincerely,
    P.J.



  • It's fine, and actually came from someone that knows that I tend to ramble when talking about languages. He normally wouldn't even see my posts (not on the forum), but decided to call me on it as rambling without anything to back it up. In order to prevent any further misunderstanding, it's easier to throw a reference up there.

    A lot of people, and I've seen it a lot on this forum lately, believe there is a single meaning for every word. Not just in this case, but actually pretty common thought. It's mostly due to the way languages are taught in the US. I understand where the flaw comes from, so I don't really take much offense at statements, or questions, that aren't blatantly rude. It's a lot easier, and more constructive, to try to explain the difference.

    It doesn't exactly help that the language has so many uses for single words. Spent a lot of time binging "Inari Kon Kon" the past few hours, so I'll use the word kami as an example. Just in regular use it can mean god, hair, or paper. The topic being discussed will usually provide context for which meaning. When reading, it's even easier because the kanji are different for each meaning, and only read as the same pronunciation.

    The frustration of having to get used to this kind of language is something that everyone that speaks it can understand. The words are normally taught separately in any text book, but there is always going to be that instance when hearing it spoken at conversation speed when your brain is going to recognize the word for the wrong definition. After that, especially for a learner with limited conversation experience, the rest of that conversation is going to sound like static till they get a chance to pause the conversation and reset their thoughts.

    It doesn't even have to be a misunderstanding. When I first moved to Tokyo, for the first couple weeks, I was convinced that there was some internal sensor that would shut my brain down after four hours of hearing/speaking/writing Japanese. I could literally feel my brain as it stopped working. I'm still convinced that this is a major reason that babies take so many naps, and one of the reasons that they break out crying for no known reason. It's just a part of the learning curve, and has to be overcome by experience using the language. If you're not using it, and this especially applies to creating proper responses to conversational cues, it won't develop to a point of actual fluency regardless of how many tests have been taken or certifications earned.



  • @darthrutsula40 said in Why I boycott funimation:

    @MordethKai said in Why I boycott funimation:

    @GoldCrusader said in Why I boycott funimation:

    I just think at this point you are making a mountain out of nothing honestly. Prison school went too far and they apologized. Nothing else they changed actually felt impactful. I'm going to be honest and say i never notices these controversial changes when I watch FUNi's dub and only actually see them when people bring them up.But hey if these 2 or 3 changes in 1 or 2 anime makes you feel cheated you have every right to not give FUNi any money. I personally think FUNimation produced some od their best dubs recently, so I sure as hell won't boycott.

    Also do remember, if you try to convince people about something like this, this isn't the right place. People here won't agree with you. I sure won't with some of the absolutely disgusting and awful things you said. Go try a place with people watching sub stuff, I'm sure you'll get a little traction.

    'disgustingly awful', heaven forbid anyone point out the growing trend of sex pests parading as feminists to avoid suspicion.

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    I'm just saying but... you are allowed to have beliefs that contradict your own actions.

    Hell the first and third most prominent religions in the world seem to run on that ideology. (I don't know about Hinduism to make this assumption)

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  • @MordethKai said in Why I boycott funimation:

    @darthrutsula40 said in Why I boycott funimation:

    @MordethKai said in Why I boycott funimation:

    @GoldCrusader said in Why I boycott funimation:

    I just think at this point you are making a mountain out of nothing honestly. Prison school went too far and they apologized. Nothing else they changed actually felt impactful. I'm going to be honest and say i never notices these controversial changes when I watch FUNi's dub and only actually see them when people bring them up.But hey if these 2 or 3 changes in 1 or 2 anime makes you feel cheated you have every right to not give FUNi any money. I personally think FUNimation produced some od their best dubs recently, so I sure as hell won't boycott.

    Also do remember, if you try to convince people about something like this, this isn't the right place. People here won't agree with you. I sure won't with some of the absolutely disgusting and awful things you said. Go try a place with people watching sub stuff, I'm sure you'll get a little traction.

    'disgustingly awful', heaven forbid anyone point out the growing trend of sex pests parading as feminists to avoid suspicion.

    alt text

    I'm just saying but... you are allowed to have beliefs that contradict your own actions.

    Hell the first and third most prominent religions in the world seem to run on that ideology. (I don't know about Hinduism to make this assumption)

    [POST DELETED]

    While we value your opinions on more sensitive social issues including but not limited to: religion, politics, abortion, rape and death, we feel there are other platforms better suited for those types of discussions and respectfully ask that you take them to private messages or other forums. Thank you for your understanding on this important matter.

    Of course preaching feminist rhetoric in your dubs is perfectly fine, but any criticism towards feminism must be silenced! See, this is why funimation can't be trusted, and why I won't spend a dime on their propaganda infested dubs.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQCmCE4EH-I



  • As stated above, this is in no way an attempt to silence your opinion, rather acknowledging your passion for sensitive subject matter and respectfully requesting you move it to another forum. We welcome all tactfully submitted criticisms and constructive feedback and encourage you to push us as a community and as a service to make fan focused improvements.



  • @JayHairston said in Why I boycott funimation:

    As stated above, this is in no way an attempt to silence your opinion, rather acknowledging your passion for sensitive subject matter and respectfully requesting you move it to another forum. We welcome all tactfully submitted criticisms and constructive feedback and encourage you to push us as a community and as a service to make fan focused improvements.

    I couldn't find a way to PM you, or anyone, through these forums, so I apologize for stating this in the public forum, but it needs said. If no rule was broken, you cannot claim it wasn't to censor a dissenting view. If subject matter is too intense, then so is half the anime funimation has dubbed. If funimation didn't want this discussion, then funimation shouldn't have politicized it's dubs with feminist rhetoric. Censoring a discussion because the horse you bet on is losing is not only cowardly, but it is an abuse of power. I know arguing with a mod is going to close this thread, get me banned, etc., but some things need to be said, and in my defense, I looked for a private method.

    So before I get banned, one parting reason why I find feminism offensive, and why seeing feminist viewpoints in anime pisses me off. As I said, self righteous hypocrites, and exhibit A:

    [Deleted link due and quote due to inappropriate content] - JH



  • so, just curious, when do you know when to stop boycotting, or do you even plan to?



  • @MordethKai said in Why I boycott funimation:

    Censoring a discussion because the horse you bet on is losing

    Is it, though? You're certainly not racing to win.

    As for your example, that's not a feminist, but a sociopath. 60 years wasn't long enough.



  • @MordethKai

    Ways to reach me:
    e-mail: Jay.Hairston@Funimation.com
    twitter: JayHairston
    discord: JayHairston
    facebook: JayHairston

    We'll start with the golden rule.

    General Posting

    Be excellent to each other.
    In other words do not harass, troll, abuse, flame, impersonate, attack, or threaten other users, or use slurs of any kind.

    Conflict often gives birth to the best solution, so we encourage healthy debates. Users may discuss and question the issue at hand, but not attack the character of other users. (Going to add Funimation staff here as well, although it should be a no brainer.)

    I'm telling you here and now as someone who works internally and externally within all facets of the organization: There is no rhetoric, there is no agenda, there is no diabolic plot or propaganda to brainwash viewers. Stop it.

    If you want to have open dialogue about creative liberties that are taken with a title, good, bad or indifferent - that is perfectly acceptable, as long as you drop the name calling and flaming *"self righteous hypocrites" "cowardly" "abusing power", and present your opinion in a firm but respectful manner that does not imply ill will.

    If you would like to file a direct complaint, you have numerous ways of reaching me above.

    So for the last and final time, PLEASE tone it down. It's not our wish to remove you from the forums but for the sake and health of the community it is my responsibility to see to it that users, above all else, are being excellent to each other, this includes Funimation employees.

    If you'd like to discuss further in private we can do so.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    -J



  • Oh my goodness, two [2] Nobus have entered the fray! {:-O

    At this point, i feel like i need a tag-team wrestling gif from @gohan6425 (laughs) ;-D



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    @Getchman said in Why I boycott funimation:

    so, just curious, when do you know when to stop boycotting, or do you even plan to?

    If funimation were to acknowledge the mistakes instead of deflecting, make a public resolution to keep personal politics out of dubs and do better, I'd wait a few years to see if they follow through (we all thought prison school would be the end of it), then go back to being a customer. Talk is cheap, trust is easy to lose and hard to earn. If they were to issue the above and completely re-dub kobayashi and hajimete no gyaru from scratch, I'd return as a customer immediately to reward an act of good faith.



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