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@M2: Bad mouthin Avengers & Dreed... thems fightin words son! Put up your dukes!!! *puts on old timey boxing gloves*

But yes Dragonball Evolution is quite horrid.

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Thelma & Louise was misandric, gynocentric garbage that made killing people belonging to a specific group a noble and honorable, adn the mere fact that people appaud that, shows how dumb they are, and the same thing happens with music too; aside from that, it just wasn't a very good movie to begin with, I can't put my stamp of approval on such a horrendous movie. Sorry if I can't like a movie that makes the implication that I'm a degenerate scumbag because of how I was born, I take a joke, but this movie crossed the line.
Falling Down was better than Thelma & Louise, I did feel more sympathedic towards the character, and it does have something intelligent to say about how redundant our society can be and how that can cause nervous breakdowns. I'm also softer on it because Micheal Douglas played the character in a way he wasn't made out to be a hero, but scary, so points for that, but in terms of how the movie was executed - pacing, plotline, general direction, it just didn't do it for me.
I know what I'm talking about just fine thank you, don't presume I lack intelligence because I may dislike a few movies you consider masterpieces and vice versa.

You seem to be confused about Thelma and Louise. They killed only one man, in self-defense, against his attempts to violate a female lead. Back then, women weren't in the positions of power they are now and it was a misogynistic society back then in the late 80s and early 90s. It still is, unfortunately but it reflects the struggles of the word of man versus the word of woman of the time. The law, being dominated by men in the time period, would take a man's word over a woman's. No one would believe that man would violate her. It's her word over what case the state makes. It's an accurate representation of the struggles of women at the time. You really, really don't know what Thelma and Louise is actually about and fail to see its point. I'm convinced you haven't even seen it. It never really implies anything, it's not a terribly deep or complicated film. It's pretty straightforward and I think you are incapable of truly seeing that. I watched it numerous times in my late childhood/early teen years, I got it and the points it was making.

You say Falling Down made an intelligent argument on something but you go on to say it didn't do anything for you is fine but I don't think you can really say its a horrible or disappointing film. If any film can manage to say something important, it's not a bad film. You got something out of it and that elevates it. If it utterly wastes your time and you get nothing out of the experience, then I'd classify that as a bad film. It brought nothing new, interesting or important to the table so it deserves to be a bad film.

I don't consider either of these films masterpieces, not many films truly are. The definition of masterpiece is so fuzzy in people's heads that cinema is suffering for it. Everything these days is a masterpiece and it's awful. These are important films. They aren't masterpieces but they are important to their respective years and they should be examined and looked at more carefully than just a throwaway film like Avengers where you gain nothing and lose some bit of sanity.

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@MP No need to insult Avengers, sure its just summer action popcorn fun, but its GOOD summer action popcorn fun!

I have only seen Thelma & Louise once and that was AGES ago so I would have to revisit it before I could comment on yours or neons view of it. But everyone is entitled to their view point on media, and Masterpiece & classic are vague terms, yes we can use them for anything we want but not everyone will ever truly agree on what makes something a masterpiece, a classic, or a bomb.

And I would personally say movies are still better off then modern TV, heck even disappointing films can be entertaining, but most TV these days just makes me die a little inside. But I digress.

Back on topic, one could call you out for calling Avengers a Throwaway film, it may not be Cinema Varite, but its still a solid movie in its own right and has done a great job helping the super hero genre be taken more seriously in Hollywood, and has of course helped give the comic industry a boost *which believe it or not there can be & are comics just as well written & artistic as movies you'll find in a criterion collection! Like Persepolis for example*

But ahh i'm ranting, I do apologize.

Back on topic, I know some people love em, but most of the Madagascar films disappoint me, I enjoyed the second one OK, but 1 & 3, I dunno, just pretty sub-par overall to me *and gawd I HATE Chris Rock, he is sooo annoying as that Zebra I just wanna see the bloody lion eat him already! XD*

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You seem to be confused about Thelma and Louise. They killed only one man, in self-defense, against his attempts to violate a female lead. Back then, women weren't in the positions of power they are now and it was a misogynistic society back then in the late 80s and early 90s. It still is, unfortunately but it reflects the struggles of the word of man versus the word of woman of the time. The law, being dominated by men in the time period, would take a man's word over a woman's. No one would believe that man would violate her. It's her word over what case the state makes. It's an accurate representation of the struggles of women at the time. You really, really don't know what Thelma and Louise is actually about and fail to see its point. I'm convinced you haven't even seen it. It never really implies anything, it's not a terribly deep or complicated film. It's pretty straightforward and I think you are incapable of truly seeing that. I watched it numerous times in my late childhood/early teen years, I got it and the points it was making.

You're very misinformed about life in the 80's and 90's, it really wasn't as bad as people, or society these days may make it out to be. And they killed a guy long after he assulted one of them, they pointed the gun at him, he recoiled, then came back shouting profanities, then they killed a guy in a gas truck as well, for a very petty reason mind you.

No matter how you slice it, I was offended by this movie, I don't condone something that implies I'm a degenerate scumbag because of my chromosome makeup. Aside from that, it just wasn't a good movie, it offered very little in terms of entertainment to begin with, and for the record, I grew up in the 80's and 90's - it was not that bad for women during that time, it surely wasn't a misogynistic society I can tell you that, what planet are you from? And one trope I'm damn tired of is the "it's so hard to be a woman," trope, especially when I go out and see them doing whatever the heck they want - and it was the same way during the 80's and 90's, I know very well - I was there.

I'm going to lay my cards on the table so that we're clear - there are a lot of things I tolerate in terms of what most find offensive; I have no issue with male or female nudity, I don't even mind jokes done at teh expense of men, or women, or when characters are portrayed as dumb regardless of whether they're men or women. It's not because I have a thick skin; it's because I can take a joke whilst dishing it out, so ya, so they can make fun of men in movies all they want, as long as they are willing to do the same to women, a little ribbing is no big deal. I don't even get too bent out of shape in anime when guys continuously get beat up by women - the only time I do get irritated is when the guy is innocent, and I've put examples all over the forum all ready, but I think Girls Bravo does both; when Kirie beats on Yukinari = bad, when Kirie beats on Fukuyama = funny, and there are good reasons for this - Yukinari is smaller and weaker than Kirie, adn he's usually innocent, so he doesn't deserve it, with Fukuyama, he's an entitled douche bag, he brings it on himself, he also enjoys it, so then, it's funny; it's a very simple analysis really.

But, this video I came across some time ago, and I'm issuing a trigger warning on this, it just may make your blood boil:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCS6GGhIRc

This does tie into our disscussion.

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You say Falling Down made an intelligent argument on something but you go on to say it didn't do anything for you is fine but I don't think you can really say its a horrible or disappointing film. If any film can manage to say something important, it's not a bad film. You got something out of it and that elevates it. If it utterly wastes your time and you get nothing out of the experience, then I'd classify that as a bad film. It brought nothing new, interesting or important to the table so it deserves to be a bad film.

Once again, this movie had a lot to say, but the execution didn't go so well, and as was the case with T&L, it just wasn't entertaining - that is the primary reason I watch movies and anime. Don't get me wrong, I do like intelligent story telling, but if anyone remembers anything I've spoken about in past posts - it can be found in some of the most unlikely places.

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I don't consider either of these films masterpieces, not many films truly are. The definition of masterpiece is so fuzzy in people's heads that cinema is suffering for it. Everything these days is a masterpiece and it's awful. These are important films. They aren't masterpieces but they are important to their respective years and they should be examined and looked at more carefully than just a throwaway film like Avengers where you gain nothing and lose some bit of sanity.

I hardly think these movies are important, again, the execution got muddled, and I really can't back up movies that demonize a particular group, especially when I belong to said group. I feel the same towards the movies Girls Against Boys and Teeth - I will not watch them, I researched them, checked a few critical and fan reviews, these movies are not for me. This is me practicing what I preach - if the premise or aspect of a piece of art may rub me the wrong way and I have sufficient evidence, I just won't partake in it.

As far as the term masterpiece goes, everyone does have their own opinion on what would be considered a masterpiece, and I'm fine with that - I can tell you there are a lot of my favorite movies you'd hate with a passion, but whatever, I watch them at home, on my time, and you don't need to partake, but the inverse is true, some of what you'd consider your best would not meet my standards.

However, there are movies that EVERYONE likes; critics, fans, everyone, these movies are what I would give the title classic, or consider a universal piece of American cinematic history - Forest Gump, Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind, American Beauty, The King's Speech, Dances With Wolves and my personal bias is kicking in here, but Devil Wears Prada I would throw in.

While I do have some other favorites such as the Prestige and Snatch, they weren't as universally accepted the same way the above listed movies were, so, I need to put my ego aside and understand these movies don't qualify as great as I found them. This is were being humble comes into effect, it's perfect and okay to have your personal masterpieces, and it is one thing to defend them if people want to make generalizations, this does translate to anime as well, I accept the fact that many of my favorites wouldn't be considered classics, however, if people diss them in a way I would consider unfair, then I will defend them.

After all I said here, do you want to know what the best part of this is? It means we're individuals with our own tastes, the moment lively disscussion and debate disappear from forums such as this because and we all like the same stuff is the moment our society truly dies. Hive minds can my suck ass.

So I hope this clears things up, I hated Thelma & Louise, you liked it, I don't think we'll be able to sway each other's opinions on that fact adn that's perfectly fine, but I strongly recommend you do some research, it's quite surprising, I know I was.

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Back on topic, one could call you out for calling Avengers a Throwaway film, it may not be Cinema Varite, but its still a solid movie in its own right and has done a great job helping the super hero genre be taken more seriously in Hollywood, and has of course helped give the comic industry a boost *which believe it or not there can be & are comics just as well written & artistic as movies you'll find in a criterion collection! Like Persepolis for example*

This here is proof that a movie doesn't have to be an Academy worthy title to be considered a classic; Avengers may not have the depth, symbolism and intricate literary devices the movies I listed above may have, the dialogue may not be as witty and intelligent as the King's Speech (which was like watching a live action play), but this movie Avengers is a symbol of American pride, the concept, the characters, the story, everything is made in America. This movie is a classic in the sense that what was done here has never been done - getting that many modern cultural icons on the screen at the same time is why this movie is so massive, I mean that one rotating shot of the "Hero Pose" when the Avengers "assemble" prior to their big battle, not to mention it was orgasmically entertaining, well paced, well written, which is tough in terms of alotting screen time for the characters. Also understand, this is the beginning of something bigger and to top it off, believe it or not, it set a new standards in movie making.

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Quick question: How may of you have seen an Uwe Boll film?

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I have seen Haywire and I agree it was BORING! AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON AVATAR THE LAST AIRBENDER!!

But The Hunger Games really disappointed me. It was as if i was watching the movie on fastforward. Realationships and characters were undeveloped hmm

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Quick question: How may of you have seen an Uwe Boll film?

Oh man, I don't know if we want to go there, if his movies are as bad as they're amde out to be, they are in a whole different league of bad; forget misandric hero murdering, bad casting, shaky camera work and the like, I think these movies may take the whole premise to a whole different level - on that note, we do have an entire thread about him and his poor attitude about wanting to fight his critics - thanks to you man, and that is a good thread too.

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But The Hunger Games really disappointed me. It was as if i was watching the movie on fastforward. Realationships and characters were undeveloped

Considering the hype and the amazing cast, Woody Harrison, Donald Sutherland and Stanley Tucci it should've shown up Battle Royal or at least been simular to it on a grander scale. But, aside from what you mentioned in your post, I would say it was pretty boring and the shaky camera work really did me in - I suffer from motion sickness and I almost threw up watching this movie.

Since we're on the topic of disappointments and I mentioned shaky camera work, I would have to say Cloverfield - I know the premise has been done before in many ways, but it's a concept people will never ever get bored with - a big monster devastating a city. My issue was the camera work, once again I almost barfed and it's a shame too because the direction of the story was good, simple and cliched, but still good. I feel they could have created the same cinenmatic effect filming conventionally - and not showing the whole monster, just a claw, a leg etc. like the days of puppets and rubber suits.

That's one of my big peeves when it comes to movies, the shaky camera - I don't find it cool or innovative, or artistic - it's nothing more than a gimmick and maybe 1/10 go for it.

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Can I just say that any Hasbro Movie counts as the worst for me? GI Joe especially earns my ire though. It's a clear case of why cartoons should stay cartoons. The plot is cliched and drawn out to an extreme. I should have known going in that anything with a Waynns family member couldn't be a good thing. The villain's backstory I still don't understand, he has no motivations other than, "I'm quite insane yet set up this immense organization to simply cause chaos." Ugh. Worst part though, the darn thing is getting a sequel. Hopefully the abomination of Battleship (thank everything holy I was smart enough to avoid that like the plague) will deter people away from it and the thing will tank.

As for biggest disappointment... Dark Knight Rises (braces for the flames). Honestly, I loved seeing it in the theater, but when I saw it again, things just didn't click... then I saw it again and it was just sad. More and more plot holes pop up every time I watch it. It gets grating to hear Bale or someone else go, "You're/I'm gonna die, but Batman's a symbol." But what has bothered me since my first screening was the ending. It is way too blunt in saying Bruce survived. I really think the trilogy peaked with the Dark Knight and the bar just couldn't be reached again.

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@FMP: From what i've heard the new G.I.Joe movie coming out is more of a reboot, hopefully it'll be better then the first one was. And yes Battleship was a pointless attempt to get money off of a Bayformers style movie XD.

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The Hostel Movies, they are nothing more then Gore-Porn, people think SAW is bad, no Hostel is just...uuggg, it makes SAW look like a bloody Academy award winner in comparison. How a movie that sick ever got a theatrical release i'll never know! *oh and the sequel is just flat up stupid, like really really stupid*

As for why I watched either, it was Halloween, I hadn't seen em before, so thought, meh, why not..... deffinantly regretted it afterwards though XD.

Oh also, The Sleep-away Camp sequels, first one was.... watchable, actually has some entertaining moments. All the sequels though, suck a major (insert expletive here) Its like they weren't even trying, they just wanted to make any amount of easy money they could off of super-cheap sequels to what was already a cheap movie in the first place.

And finally, I know alot of people liked it, but I personally HATED X-MEN: First Class. Because 1. It was originally supposed to be a theatrical adaption of the "Magneto: Testament" storyline which would have made a MUCH MUCH better movie *seriously go google that NAO!* but they changed it up because that would have been "too dark" or "too boring" for super-hero flick. So they made some half-arsed prequel that like the 1st Wolverine movie doesn't even fit into the current X-Men movie cannon! Not to mention some of the mutants they used WERE NOT EVEN ALIVE when Charles & Erik were starting out, and the FIrst Class comic's were about well Xavier's first class the original X-Men when they were teens.

So yeah, I was disappointed by it, just like I was the Wolverine Flick, neither fit into the movie cannon, and neither do the X-Men Justice! *and the Wolverine Movie totally massacred Deadpool's Character, he's the Merc with Mouth! Not generic bad-guy with swords in arms!* Lord I hope the Deadpool Movie makes up for that mess! *knock on wood*

And thats all I can think of for now.

You mean Guro? lol

And Hostel was watchable.
Halloween wasn't bad as well.

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