Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
@DP: Fair enough I guess your right as long as they are not actually linking sites that contain scanlations or fan-subs, theres no legit harm in it I guess. But I will disagree with you abit on the second part. support of unscantioned distribution of copyrighted material is never a good thing. I realize some people don't have the money/ and or ability (such as not having the product at all in their home country) to buy a series they like, but this whole modern mindset of I deserve instant gratification/entertainiment anytime, anyway I want is quite a disturbing one IMPO. Its like they say, just because you can do somthing, doesn't mean you should. I hate to sound like a Morel Oral here. But just because we now have the technology to get what we want when we want ( sadly many times through not so legal means) does not mean we have the right to.
I mean heck, I could just go online and read scans or watch Subs of Case Closed, but out of principle and respect for the creator of the various series I like and industry as a whole, I refrain from doing so. While true in the end fansubs & Scanlations will not kill the industry, they do harm it to a degree, and overall, they are just a source of disrespect to the origional creator of the series, and the company/companies that have the rights to it.
I know some people would say i'm wrong and that they are just showing the love for series they like, but if that were true they would stick to Fan-art, Fan-fic's and the occasional AMV. Not distribution or viewing/reading of illegal scans/subs.
But yeah, I guess in the end this is a battle/argument that will never end.
Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
You do have a point really sound. Anyone who thinks they're doing nothing wrong by reading a scanlation just needs to admit it to themselves. I have no problem admitting it - I read the latest scanlated Naruto every week obviously. But I know what I'm doing is wrong technically, I won't deny it.
That said though, since it was never a problem when we did it on the old board, I highly doubt it'll be an issue here.
Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
I live near Little Tokyo and they have the Japanese Shounen Jump available there weekly. What about the fans who do read it *ahem* "Legally", they aren't allowed to discuss it either?
While I would agree with you on the scanlation thing and it is indeed killing sales for the manga here in the US (my fav, btw, but that's Viz's fault for horrible translations), there's nothing much we can do about it. By sweeping it under the cover, if we were to stop all talk about illegal anything here, this site would be dead as a doornail.
Until anime and manga cease to exist because it has no support, pirating will not stop, so trying to sugar coat it and refrain people from talking about it won't do any good. In a long run, it will only hurt Funimation's forums due to lack of activity.
Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
@GYT: haha, fair enough fair enough. And I must say I find your honesty respectable. True we all do bad things (like me with my Soda addiction....i know I drink way to much...but im at the point where I'm not gonna worry about it anymore..slowly ween myself off...but thats neither here nor there, lol.)
@ Kazemon: Well yes it would most likely affect the Manga section I guess, but not really the forums as a whole.
But yeah, I guess in the end its a moot point isn't it, lol.
Edit: @Kaze: & yeah I've heard about VIZ mis-treatment, poor translations of Reborn. I feel for yeah (Case Closed was pretty sloopy early on as well...lotsa typos, lol.) But with anyluck they will fix things in re-prints or improve on the translations as they go on (as they have with CC & other long running series.)
But yeah, VIZ is a mixed bag overall, some of their stuff is really good...others, not so much, lol.
Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
I don't see anything morally wrong with anyone using scanlations(or fansubs by extension) as long as that person willing to buy the localized version when it's available in their area, since they're essentially paying for the manga they've already read.
And yeah, scanlations being higher-quality than the legal versions is a whole different can of worms.
Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
I feel that if we're ever to get anywhere on the subject, we should almost certainly be allowed to discuss it on forums such as this; and perhaps, although I admit this is stretching it a bit, encouraged to.
I'm as aware as anyone else here about how illegal scanlating is, but still I take satisfaction in reading many new scanlated chapters of my favorite series the instant they come out. The fan in me refuses to do otherwise, however that doesn't mean I don't sympathize with the mangakas and other such people who feel cheated in this way; and so, when I'm able, I purchase as much of the legal merchandise as I can. That too is part of being a fan, I believe.
As Renzokuken pointed out however, many scanlations are of a different quality than many of their legalized counterparts. When you compare a scan on a piece of paper to one refined, cleaned and edited through PS (or whatever else one might use for it) on a crisp, clean computer screen, which one do you think is most likely to win out? In addition, many of those who work on scanlations are dedicated fans just like ourselves (I know some might be hesitant to call such people fans, but please bear with me), and have been reading manga for a very long time. As such, how they translate the original Japanese can come off much better than what you might read otherwise.
Understandably this may sound quite self-serving, but those are simply some of the conclusions I've reached after giving both types their fair shot.
Re: Should we really have topics to disscuss scanlations?
Sorry to pull this old topic out I do agree that their is nothing wrong with reading scanlations as long as you support the localized verison however scanlations are one of the reason why the industry is not doing so well.and we as fans need to find a way to support the industry to keep it alive and running for a long time or else if every so called fan out there is watching scanlations and not buying the manga when it comes out then there a problem and the manga based companies such as Viz is going down under though I think Viz is only manga based comapny left, though I am not sure and we need to keep that alive so we can the industry in Japan won't fall under. I said it in the other topic you are not a fan if you don't support the industry you have no right to be wearing that title.
@DP: Fair enough I guess your right as long as they are not actually linking sites that contain scanlations or fan-subs, theres no legit harm in it I guess. But I will disagree with you abit on the second part. support of unscantioned distribution of copyrighted material is never a good thing. I realize some people don't have the money/ and or ability (such as not having the product at all in their home country) to buy a series they like, but this whole modern mindset of I deserve instant gratification/entertainiment anytime, anyway I want is quite a disturbing one IMPO. Its like they say, just because you can do somthing, doesn't mean you should. I hate to sound like a Morel Oral here. But just because we now have the technology to get what we want when we want ( sadly many times through not so legal means) does not mean we have the right to.
I mean heck, I could just go online and read scans or watch Subs of Case Closed, but out of principle and respect for the creator of the various series I like and industry as a whole, I refrain from doing so. While true in the end fansubs & Scanlations will not kill the industry, they do harm it to a degree, and overall, they are just a source of disrespect to the origional creator of the series, and the company/companies that have the rights to it.
I know some people would say i'm wrong and that they are just showing the love for series they like, but if that were true they would stick to Fan-art, Fan-fic's and the occasional AMV. Not distribution or viewing/reading of illegal scans/subs.
But yeah, I guess in the end this is a battle/argument that will never end.
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You do have a point really sound. Anyone who thinks they're doing nothing wrong by reading a scanlation just needs to admit it to themselves. I have no problem admitting it - I read the latest scanlated Naruto every week obviously. But I know what I'm doing is wrong technically, I won't deny it.
That said though, since it was never a problem when we did it on the old board, I highly doubt it'll be an issue here.
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I live near Little Tokyo and they have the Japanese Shounen Jump available there weekly. What about the fans who do read it *ahem* "Legally", they aren't allowed to discuss it either?
While I would agree with you on the scanlation thing and it is indeed killing sales for the manga here in the US (my fav, btw, but that's Viz's fault for horrible translations), there's nothing much we can do about it. By sweeping it under the cover, if we were to stop all talk about illegal anything here, this site would be dead as a doornail.
Until anime and manga cease to exist because it has no support, pirating will not stop, so trying to sugar coat it and refrain people from talking about it won't do any good. In a long run, it will only hurt Funimation's forums due to lack of activity.
@GYT: haha, fair enough fair enough. And I must say I find your honesty respectable. True we all do bad things (like me with my Soda addiction....i know I drink way to much...but im at the point where I'm not gonna worry about it anymore..slowly ween myself off...but thats neither here nor there, lol.)
@ Kazemon: Well yes it would most likely affect the Manga section I guess, but not really the forums as a whole.
But yeah, I guess in the end its a moot point isn't it, lol.
Edit: @Kaze: & yeah I've heard about VIZ mis-treatment, poor translations of Reborn. I feel for yeah (Case Closed was pretty sloopy early on as well...lotsa typos, lol.) But with anyluck they will fix things in re-prints or improve on the translations as they go on (as they have with CC & other long running series.)
But yeah, VIZ is a mixed bag overall, some of their stuff is really good...others, not so much, lol.
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I don't see anything morally wrong with anyone using scanlations(or fansubs by extension) as long as that person willing to buy the localized version when it's available in their area, since they're essentially paying for the manga they've already read.
And yeah, scanlations being higher-quality than the legal versions is a whole different can of worms.
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I feel that if we're ever to get anywhere on the subject, we should almost certainly be allowed to discuss it on forums such as this; and perhaps, although I admit this is stretching it a bit, encouraged to.
I'm as aware as anyone else here about how illegal scanlating is, but still I take satisfaction in reading many new scanlated chapters of my favorite series the instant they come out. The fan in me refuses to do otherwise, however that doesn't mean I don't sympathize with the mangakas and other such people who feel cheated in this way; and so, when I'm able, I purchase as much of the legal merchandise as I can. That too is part of being a fan, I believe.
As Renzokuken pointed out however, many scanlations are of a different quality than many of their legalized counterparts. When you compare a scan on a piece of paper to one refined, cleaned and edited through PS (or whatever else one might use for it) on a crisp, clean computer screen, which one do you think is most likely to win out? In addition, many of those who work on scanlations are dedicated fans just like ourselves (I know some might be hesitant to call such people fans, but please bear with me), and have been reading manga for a very long time. As such, how they translate the original Japanese can come off much better than what you might read otherwise.
Understandably this may sound quite self-serving, but those are simply some of the conclusions I've reached after giving both types their fair shot.
Sorry to pull this old topic out I do agree that their is nothing wrong with reading scanlations as long as you support the localized verison however scanlations are one of the reason why the industry is not doing so well.and we as fans need to find a way to support the industry to keep it alive and running for a long time or else if every so called fan out there is watching scanlations and not buying the manga when it comes out then there a problem and the manga based companies such as Viz is going down under though I think Viz is only manga based comapny left, though I am not sure and we need to keep that alive so we can the industry in Japan won't fall under. I said it in the other topic you are not a fan if you don't support the industry you have no right to be wearing that title.