Blame Vita and all her bootlegs, non-fan-service anime just isn't brining home the bacon.
How about you take your pompous ass and shove it? That sound good? Good.
I don't want to here you say shit when IN FACT I buys grands worth of anime. I buy legal copies if I can, in fact, I throw out bootlegs when I get legal copies. I'm just not going to go out of my to please the OOP market and spend a shit load of money on something that was retailed at $80.
So, if you want to bloody help the market, go be a Nazi towards people that don't support the market in legal ways. That sound good? I just love how people love putting the blame on a 1 person, when in fact they're not the source of the problem.
The source is cheap ass fans that say they're fans, but when it comes down to it, they're not, when they won't be willing to put up the money for their said "favorite" series. Hell, FMA wasn't even picked up by half the fans that said they were fans of the series. And yes, Funimation asked fans at a convention and asked if they watched and liked FMA. There were 3 types of people: people that didn't like the show, people that liked it and didn't support the releases, and people that liked it and supported it.
They're losing a lot of money from people that don't support. Hell, you want cheap ass fans, people complain about the SAVE line costing too much. People complain about a FULL SET costing $30 at retail, $20 if they know this wonderful place called Amazon. Anime has been in the crap hole ever since it stopped going off TV, they don't advertise their titles (US market, could give a rat's ass about the Japanese's market) Funimation and Sentai just get titles and hope it'll bring in new fans...when in fact they won't unless they do some extra work to reach the masses.
I was out of anime when it stopped airing on TV back in 08...watching anime on the TV was my way of knowing what was out. When it was taken off, I stopped watching it and buying it because I had no idea what was out there. I got back into anime in 2011-12 when my friend was like "watch soul eater, I'm sure you'll like it, it'll remind you of the comic project we're working on"
If Funimation and Sentai want more fans and money, they best get off their asses and put ads out there.
But, it doesn't work the other way, you can complain about too much till the cows come home, but trying to complain about till little just makes one look silly.
The only time this occurs is when a series is marketed and advertised as a fan service anime, and there's nothing or very little, it's sort of like buying an action/ adventure anime and expecting, well, action and adventure, or better yet a mental thriller that challenges the senses - so when a series does not deliver the goods (what they market) it is a let down, or better yet a mental thriller that challenges the senses (Something like Evangelion, or Texhnolyze) and you get Chaos; Head, which was decent and worth watching, but I didn't care for the direction the story went.
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Also, we shall stop complaining about Funimation's mass acquisition of boob anime when it is balanced out properly with other types of programs!
Wrong! it's actually quite balanced in terms of the titles that actually do make it to hard copy sales(and streams), I'm still waiting on a Ikkitousen season 3 and 4 bluray release; one of the random fan service series that I really like, because ,well, both those seasons are actually good. However, like everyone else, I have to wait my turn after shows/movies like Mass Effect and Toriko run their course, becuase, there is no overabundance of fan service titles Funimation are getting - one every now and then, adn just because they get streaming rights, doesn't mean there will be a bluray release. But when I do look at the big picture, Funimation are well balanced in terms of the upcoming and recent title acquisitions and what they currently have.
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But seriously I do feel in the realm of streams shows like this for better or worse will undeservingly outshine other potential better shows.... But such is the way of the world, guess i'll just have to learn toa accept it.
This is the problem right here, what makes one believe their opinion validates which shows are worthy and unworthy? I haven't seen this new series yet, so I can't make a call on it right now, I might one day, check out a couple episodes, it could be good, or it could be an okay like Maken Ki, or suck like Master of Martial Hearts, have to wait and see. I watched Haganai and was very surprised, the comedy in it was very well done, and humor/comedy, is a skill like everything else, and is an art form unto itself, like fan service, as I talked about in another post, or any other anime, unless it's Eiken, that made me want to throw up.
The other thing everyone has to consider, aside from what sells (fan service, violence, action), is when Funimation aquires properties is (and I'm making an assumption here) that maybe, they take what they can can at times, meaning, maybe the follically so caled "art house" scifi/drama anime that some of you and I are pining after might be out of Funimation's reach; perhaps the owners of the show want too much money, or maybe they don't want it dubbed all together, this reminds me of Fate/Zero, I mean, someone has be trying to get that (unless Aniplex America has it), it would sell so fast. So we have to consider that at the end of the day, there are times when Funimation takes what they can get.
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Serial Experiments Lain
Steins;Gate
Texhnolyze
Haibane Renmei
Black Lagoon
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I'm sorry, but overreaction much?
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Funimation didn't get any credit when they licensed or rescued any of those anime, but the moment they grab a fanservice title, they get torn to shreds by the most critical of fans.
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And as for those fanservice titles, some of them are worth watching, and some of them fail miserably. Either way, all people need to say is "not for me" and move on, rather than further becoming a rotten fanbase.
Thank you! Correct answer. Some of those anime are very good, and some are okay to downright sucky, but hey, that's like any other genre in anime.
But, while we're on the subject here are a few others that aren't fan service animes; PSYCHO-PASS, The Future Diary, Robotics; Notes, Shakugan no Shana, and, as silly as it is, Toriko, and while I'm at it, thank goodness for that bluray release of GunGrave - I give Funimation the gold metal for rescuing that one.
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They do seem to go for a lot of fan-service anime.
Wrong! They don't, they get a few, people only notice when they go for fan service titles.
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Bah go watch Jormungand and Haibane Renmei and let us have our boobs in peace.
Good and true, but the catch is that the fan service shows still have to have a solid story and developed characters.
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How about you take your pompous ass and shove it? That sound good? Good.
Haha, nice. I like this rebuttal.
But on the subject, I don't condone bootleg stuff - part of it is my personal vanity and my principles, but, even worse yet are people just ripping the stuff off the net and not buying anything, at all, or only buying the bootleg garbage. But, do as you will, at least you go out and buy the stuff. But for those who want to complain about price, there are many, many resources for legal streaming, absolutely free, and if people want English dub stuff, Netflix, it's ridiculously cheap, as for subscribing to Funimation - maybe when the bugs are worked out a little better (sorry guys, but it's true).
And as for Anime companies advertising more (Sentai maybe needs a bit more, their website is boring), I think as customers, we know anime is somewhat, in a way, underground in comparision to most medias in North America, so we, the customers have to go out and do our homework - more people should be doing this anyways with all their purchases, it reminds me of when I worked retail, most people have no idea what the hell they want, and they do no research either, we have the internet, and wealth of information and yet people are actually getting dumber and more ignorant. By the way, for those of of you who don't know, keep an eye on the upcoming release schedule Funimation have up, also look up shows, or go to rightstuf or amazon and do a search by typing the title you're interested in to see if it is available for purchase - so many resources that can answer a person's question, and yet, people choose not to use this stuff. Advertising, we're anime fans, we look this stuff up and find out - we're proactive.
Advertising, we're anime fans, we look this stuff up and find out - we're proactive.
They have said they try to get stuff in gaming magazines, but int he end they say it "cost too much money" to advertise. Well, unless they try, they're not really going to know if it'll bring them more people.
I'm sure there is a horror magazine on the market (if not, use it as an example), they could say, put Hellsing and Shiki in there and that'll attract vampire/undead fans (not really sure what horror monsters are used in those 2 anime). Hell, if they advertised Big Windup, Eyeshield 21, or Prince of Tennis in a sports magazine, I'm sure sports fans would've picked it up.
I honestly think they don't try hard enough or fear they'll lose money if they try to branch out too much. Yes, it's a niche market, but it also has a mainstream appeal (with all the genres that're available for it and themes put into them.) There are ways, the companies just aren't putting too much extra effort into pulling in more fans.
Hell, I don't care if they advertise their fanservice titles in whatever mag that would be put in, just as long as it brings more people in and makes the market more stable.
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They have said they try to get stuff in gaming magazines, but int he end they say it "cost too much money" to advertise. Well, unless they try, they're not really going to know if it'll bring them more people.
That's an issue with them being afraid to take a gamble, and I can't say I blame them with the way things are going these days.
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I'm sure there is a horror magazine on the market (if not, use it as an example), they could say, put Hellsing and Shiki in there and that'll attract vampire/undead fans (not really sure what horror monsters are used in those 2 anime). Hell, if they advertised Big Windup, Eyeshield 21, or Prince of Tennis in a sports magazine, I'm sure sports fans would've picked it up.
In theory yes, and I see where you're going, however, I have seen firsthand how narrow minded people are; most of them just won't give any of it a chance. I'll explain a premise of an anime to someone, and they say something to the effect of checking it out, but, as soon as they hear it's an anime, "oh, I'm not really into that sort of thing."
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I honestly think they don't try hard enough or fear they'll lose money if they try to branch out too much. Yes, it's a niche market, but it also has a mainstream appeal (with all the genres that're available for it and themes put into them.) There are ways, the companies just aren't putting too much extra effort into pulling in more fans.
Many anime does have mainstream appeal, I happen to think both FMA series are extremely viewer friendly, but people outside of anime fandom just won't give it a chance and I can't blame American anime companies for being conservative with their resources, as I mentioned earlier. However, as fans, is it really a good idea for anime to go beyond a niche market? I used to think it would be great if anime was more mainstream, but then, like many overly mainstream medias, I believe it would lose its flavour. In other words, for those of you who think there's a lack of creativity in anime now, imagine how bland it would be if it was made to appeal to everyone.
I see what you're getting at, but after talking to people about entertainment media - beit at work, with friends and family, none of them want to give it a chance, only a few people here and there watch it.
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I'm sorry I really should have worded my last post better, I didn't mean for my last one to come out as it did. *stupid brain* *slaps head*
Don't worry man it's all good.
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But for future reference I was speaking solely of streaming anime, I do give Funi credit where credit is due both in streams & physical releases.
I still disagree with you here though, I think the streams are pretty well balanced however, as I mentioend earlier, Funimation at times may be in situations where they take what they can get for the best price in terms of licensing rights for streaming, so if there are periods where it feels like there are more fan service type animes aquired by Funimation, it may be all that's available for them at the time for a good price. In other words, Funimation only have so much control being a small fish in the anime industry pond.
All in all, I don't think it's as bad as people think it is - although I don't believe fan service animes to be bad, as I said, there are good ones and poor ones.
How about you take your pompous ass and shove it? That sound good? Good.
I don't want to here you say shit when IN FACT I buys grands worth of anime. I buy legal copies if I can, in fact, I throw out bootlegs when I get legal copies. I'm just not going to go out of my to please the OOP market and spend a shit load of money on something that was retailed at $80.
So, if you want to bloody help the market, go be a Nazi towards people that don't support the market in legal ways. That sound good? I just love how people love putting the blame on a 1 person, when in fact they're not the source of the problem.
The source is cheap ass fans that say they're fans, but when it comes down to it, they're not, when they won't be willing to put up the money for their said "favorite" series. Hell, FMA wasn't even picked up by half the fans that said they were fans of the series. And yes, Funimation asked fans at a convention and asked if they watched and liked FMA. There were 3 types of people: people that didn't like the show, people that liked it and didn't support the releases, and people that liked it and supported it.
They're losing a lot of money from people that don't support. Hell, you want cheap ass fans, people complain about the SAVE line costing too much. People complain about a FULL SET costing $30 at retail, $20 if they know this wonderful place called Amazon. Anime has been in the crap hole ever since it stopped going off TV, they don't advertise their titles (US market, could give a rat's ass about the Japanese's market) Funimation and Sentai just get titles and hope it'll bring in new fans...when in fact they won't unless they do some extra work to reach the masses.
I was out of anime when it stopped airing on TV back in 08...watching anime on the TV was my way of knowing what was out. When it was taken off, I stopped watching it and buying it because I had no idea what was out there. I got back into anime in 2011-12 when my friend was like "watch soul eater, I'm sure you'll like it, it'll remind you of the comic project we're working on"
If Funimation and Sentai want more fans and money, they best get off their asses and put ads out there.
“In order to protect something precious, you must find it first.”- Vata Raven
Sorry, went for the cheap joke and I appologize
The only time this occurs is when a series is marketed and advertised as a fan service anime, and there's nothing or very little, it's sort of like buying an action/ adventure anime and expecting, well, action and adventure, or better yet a mental thriller that challenges the senses - so when a series does not deliver the goods (what they market) it is a let down, or better yet a mental thriller that challenges the senses (Something like Evangelion, or Texhnolyze) and you get Chaos; Head, which was decent and worth watching, but I didn't care for the direction the story went.
Wrong! it's actually quite balanced in terms of the titles that actually do make it to hard copy sales(and streams), I'm still waiting on a Ikkitousen season 3 and 4 bluray release; one of the random fan service series that I really like, because ,well, both those seasons are actually good. However, like everyone else, I have to wait my turn after shows/movies like Mass Effect and Toriko run their course, becuase, there is no overabundance of fan service titles Funimation are getting - one every now and then, adn just because they get streaming rights, doesn't mean there will be a bluray release. But when I do look at the big picture, Funimation are well balanced in terms of the upcoming and recent title acquisitions and what they currently have.
This is the problem right here, what makes one believe their opinion validates which shows are worthy and unworthy? I haven't seen this new series yet, so I can't make a call on it right now, I might one day, check out a couple episodes, it could be good, or it could be an okay like Maken Ki, or suck like Master of Martial Hearts, have to wait and see. I watched Haganai and was very surprised, the comedy in it was very well done, and humor/comedy, is a skill like everything else, and is an art form unto itself, like fan service, as I talked about in another post, or any other anime, unless it's Eiken, that made me want to throw up.
The other thing everyone has to consider, aside from what sells (fan service, violence, action), is when Funimation aquires properties is (and I'm making an assumption here) that maybe, they take what they can can at times, meaning, maybe the follically so caled "art house" scifi/drama anime that some of you and I are pining after might be out of Funimation's reach; perhaps the owners of the show want too much money, or maybe they don't want it dubbed all together, this reminds me of Fate/Zero, I mean, someone has be trying to get that (unless Aniplex America has it), it would sell so fast. So we have to consider that at the end of the day, there are times when Funimation takes what they can get.
Thank you! Correct answer. Some of those anime are very good, and some are okay to downright sucky, but hey, that's like any other genre in anime.
But, while we're on the subject here are a few others that aren't fan service animes; PSYCHO-PASS, The Future Diary, Robotics; Notes, Shakugan no Shana, and, as silly as it is, Toriko, and while I'm at it, thank goodness for that bluray release of GunGrave - I give Funimation the gold metal for rescuing that one.
Wrong! They don't, they get a few, people only notice when they go for fan service titles.
Good and true, but the catch is that the fan service shows still have to have a solid story and developed characters.
Haha, nice. I like this rebuttal.
But on the subject, I don't condone bootleg stuff - part of it is my personal vanity and my principles, but, even worse yet are people just ripping the stuff off the net and not buying anything, at all, or only buying the bootleg garbage. But, do as you will, at least you go out and buy the stuff. But for those who want to complain about price, there are many, many resources for legal streaming, absolutely free, and if people want English dub stuff, Netflix, it's ridiculously cheap, as for subscribing to Funimation - maybe when the bugs are worked out a little better (sorry guys, but it's true).
And as for Anime companies advertising more (Sentai maybe needs a bit more, their website is boring), I think as customers, we know anime is somewhat, in a way, underground in comparision to most medias in North America, so we, the customers have to go out and do our homework - more people should be doing this anyways with all their purchases, it reminds me of when I worked retail, most people have no idea what the hell they want, and they do no research either, we have the internet, and wealth of information and yet people are actually getting dumber and more ignorant. By the way, for those of of you who don't know, keep an eye on the upcoming release schedule Funimation have up, also look up shows, or go to rightstuf or amazon and do a search by typing the title you're interested in to see if it is available for purchase - so many resources that can answer a person's question, and yet, people choose not to use this stuff. Advertising, we're anime fans, we look this stuff up and find out - we're proactive.
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I'm sorry I really should have worded my last post better, I didn't mean for my last one to come out as it did.
*stupid brain* *slaps head*
But for future reference I was speaking solely of streaming anime, I do give Funi credit where credit is due both in streams & physical releases.
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I couldn't agree more. That it it get boring to see threads blow up with argument all the time.
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They have said they try to get stuff in gaming magazines, but int he end they say it "cost too much money" to advertise. Well, unless they try, they're not really going to know if it'll bring them more people.
I'm sure there is a horror magazine on the market (if not, use it as an example), they could say, put Hellsing and Shiki in there and that'll attract vampire/undead fans (not really sure what horror monsters are used in those 2 anime). Hell, if they advertised Big Windup, Eyeshield 21, or Prince of Tennis in a sports magazine, I'm sure sports fans would've picked it up.
I honestly think they don't try hard enough or fear they'll lose money if they try to branch out too much. Yes, it's a niche market, but it also has a mainstream appeal (with all the genres that're available for it and themes put into them.) There are ways, the companies just aren't putting too much extra effort into pulling in more fans.
Hell, I don't care if they advertise their fanservice titles in whatever mag that would be put in, just as long as it brings more people in and makes the market more stable.
“In order to protect something precious, you must find it first.”- Vata Raven
I saw a few adverts on the videos of another forum I visit, I was actually happy to see Funimation advertising on sites I frequent.
That's an issue with them being afraid to take a gamble, and I can't say I blame them with the way things are going these days.
In theory yes, and I see where you're going, however, I have seen firsthand how narrow minded people are; most of them just won't give any of it a chance. I'll explain a premise of an anime to someone, and they say something to the effect of checking it out, but, as soon as they hear it's an anime, "oh, I'm not really into that sort of thing."
Many anime does have mainstream appeal, I happen to think both FMA series are extremely viewer friendly, but people outside of anime fandom just won't give it a chance and I can't blame American anime companies for being conservative with their resources, as I mentioned earlier. However, as fans, is it really a good idea for anime to go beyond a niche market? I used to think it would be great if anime was more mainstream, but then, like many overly mainstream medias, I believe it would lose its flavour. In other words, for those of you who think there's a lack of creativity in anime now, imagine how bland it would be if it was made to appeal to everyone.
I see what you're getting at, but after talking to people about entertainment media - beit at work, with friends and family, none of them want to give it a chance, only a few people here and there watch it.
Don't worry man it's all good.
I still disagree with you here though, I think the streams are pretty well balanced however, as I mentioend earlier, Funimation at times may be in situations where they take what they can get for the best price in terms of licensing rights for streaming, so if there are periods where it feels like there are more fan service type animes aquired by Funimation, it may be all that's available for them at the time for a good price. In other words, Funimation only have so much control being a small fish in the anime industry pond.
All in all, I don't think it's as bad as people think it is - although I don't believe fan service animes to be bad, as I said, there are good ones and poor ones.
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I guess I have something to look into