I don't think anybody is arguing the legal standing of what went on. It is undeniable fact that DCTP was operating illegally.
What is also undeniable fact is that Funi is over 500 episodes and 10 movies behind where DC is in Japan with no plans to continue the series (at least as far as has been announced at this time, to my knowledge). They are effectively sitting on the license doing nothing with it. It is also undeniable fact that you cannot lose money on a product you were not selling--so Funimation wasn't losing money on the majority of those episodes and movies. (Arguable for those episodes and movies which did see a dub release.)
I suppose the Japanese company could have been losing money from Japanese fans who decided to watch the fansubbed stuff for free instead of buying the DVDs. But, really, it's the English-speaking fanbase that's getting screwed over here. I highly doubt that a bunch of us are going to suddenly go out and import a bunch of movies/episodes in a language we can't understand to support the Japanese company since it's not like importing the series would actually help get the rest of it released or anything.
dman32152002, if you're with Funimation, you guys need to do more to engage the original fans of Case Closed/Detective Conan, and do more to introduce it to newer audiences. Because you guys at Funimation have basically turned your backs on Conan fans by NOT releasing any new seasons or movies FOR YEARS now, you do realize that Conan fans have left you guys, as far as waiting around for you to release new content, right? Conan fans have no choice but to buy the HORRIBLY subbed movies from Indonesian sellers, or scour the internet for places to watch them. The LAST thing you should be doing, is shutting down those fansites who are trying to keep the flame alive for U.S. fans of Conan! That just really pisses off the fans, big-time, to have finally found a place they could watch well-subbed newer episodes of Conan, only to find out Funimation had it shut down!!!!
I have been writing and sending in postcards for years now, begging Funimation to put out new box-sets and movies for Conan, I WANT to give you my money, I don't want to buy the crappy subs from Indonesia that read like they were translated by monkeys. But it's all fallen on deaf ears. You guys are too busy licensing new series that show more T&A, and let your older, incomplete series languish. Why don't you at least put out some limited edition sets, or make them available as print-on-demand? You said you need more of the existing box-sets to sell, well I've already bought & paid for every Conan DVD you guys have released so far. I'd guess most Conan fans have already bought the DVDs as well. Fans can't buy it twice over, so that means you guys need to get the series out there, to generate some new fans!
That's the problem, though. Newer generation fans want to watch their anime in as pure a form as possible, and Detective Conan was released in a time before U.S. anime companies figured that out. So the name of the series is different, the characters' names have been changed, and the series was done in a way to distance itself as far from Japan, it's home source material, as possible. It's really too bad you guys at Funimation don't decide to relaunch the series from scratch, redub some of the more grating voices, and dub it embracing the source material, instead of making the changes. I understand why the changes were made originally, but today's anime fans are more picky. That may be why more fans haven't gotten into it.
If you can't do that, then at least try to get the series out there for today's fans to notice it! Why not air it on the anime network? I have Time-Warner cable, and we've never gotten Funimation channel offered to us, much to my displeasure. We have an on-demand anime channel with limited offerings. Why doesn't Funimation try to get some of your series you want to promote onto other anime cable sites? Or how about shipping sets of the box-sets you have to Walmarts? They do carry some anime, usually just the popular, well-known stuff like Bleach, Naruto, FMA and Dragonball. But I'd love to see Case Closed actually on the shelves of places like Walmart and Costco, so non-anime fans might be tempted to pick it up.
I really hate the fact that when it aired on Adult Swim, it was buried at the 5a.m. slot, when hardly anybody was awake to watch it. It you guys could get it aired on some other network, maybe you'd start getting a newer audience for it. The way I discovered and fell in love with Kyo Kara Maoh was when it aired on one of the Asian cable networks in their anime block and I stumbled across it once while flipping channels. It was because I found the show so funny & sweet that I had to go out and buy all those DVDs, one disc at a time. (Hint, hint, we're still waiting for the final season of that series, plus the OAVs, to be released by Funimation, too!)
Okay, I know I've ranted on for long enough. But we Conan fans are beyond frustrated, let me tell you! You guys make it sound like it's our fault for not buying the DVDs, when most U.S. Case Closed fans probably already have them. Then your legal dept. goes out hunting down fan-sites who are filling the void you left when you ABANDONED Conan and his fans! If you want the fans back, you guys have to do something to bring them back to you, not just keep on cutting off their other sources. They're not re-watching the first 130 episodes you guys dubbed, they're watching the 425 other episodes that HAVE NEVER BEEN RELEASED STATESIDE, AND ARE LIKELY NEVER GOING TO BE, EITHER!! Cut us a break here, please! The ball's in your court, we U.S. Conan fans have been waiting A LONG TIME for you to serve!
One truth prevails "to save this show." Case Closed is Awesome and will always be a great show. People been being Bias against the show. English Dub or English Sub we all love the show. Let haters, hate [Period].
I don't think anybody is arguing the legal standing of what went on. It is undeniable fact that DCTP was operating illegally.
What is also undeniable fact is that Funi is over 500 episodes and 10 movies behind where DC is in Japan with no plans to continue the series (at least as far as has been announced at this time, to my knowledge). They are effectively sitting on the license doing nothing with it. It is also undeniable fact that you cannot lose money on a product you were not selling--so Funimation wasn't losing money on the majority of those episodes and movies. (Arguable for those episodes and movies which did see a dub release.)
I suppose the Japanese company could have been losing money from Japanese fans who decided to watch the fansubbed stuff for free instead of buying the DVDs. But, really, it's the English-speaking fanbase that's getting screwed over here. I highly doubt that a bunch of us are going to suddenly go out and import a bunch of movies/episodes in a language we can't understand to support the Japanese company since it's not like importing the series would actually help get the rest of it released or anything.
I have been writing and sending in postcards for years now, begging Funimation to put out new box-sets and movies for Conan, I WANT to give you my money, I don't want to buy the crappy subs from Indonesia that read like they were translated by monkeys. But it's all fallen on deaf ears. You guys are too busy licensing new series that show more T&A, and let your older, incomplete series languish. Why don't you at least put out some limited edition sets, or make them available as print-on-demand? You said you need more of the existing box-sets to sell, well I've already bought & paid for every Conan DVD you guys have released so far. I'd guess most Conan fans have already bought the DVDs as well. Fans can't buy it twice over, so that means you guys need to get the series out there, to generate some new fans!
That's the problem, though. Newer generation fans want to watch their anime in as pure a form as possible, and Detective Conan was released in a time before U.S. anime companies figured that out. So the name of the series is different, the characters' names have been changed, and the series was done in a way to distance itself as far from Japan, it's home source material, as possible. It's really too bad you guys at Funimation don't decide to relaunch the series from scratch, redub some of the more grating voices, and dub it embracing the source material, instead of making the changes. I understand why the changes were made originally, but today's anime fans are more picky. That may be why more fans haven't gotten into it.
If you can't do that, then at least try to get the series out there for today's fans to notice it! Why not air it on the anime network? I have Time-Warner cable, and we've never gotten Funimation channel offered to us, much to my displeasure. We have an on-demand anime channel with limited offerings. Why doesn't Funimation try to get some of your series you want to promote onto other anime cable sites? Or how about shipping sets of the box-sets you have to Walmarts? They do carry some anime, usually just the popular, well-known stuff like Bleach, Naruto, FMA and Dragonball. But I'd love to see Case Closed actually on the shelves of places like Walmart and Costco, so non-anime fans might be tempted to pick it up.
I really hate the fact that when it aired on Adult Swim, it was buried at the 5a.m. slot, when hardly anybody was awake to watch it. It you guys could get it aired on some other network, maybe you'd start getting a newer audience for it. The way I discovered and fell in love with Kyo Kara Maoh was when it aired on one of the Asian cable networks in their anime block and I stumbled across it once while flipping channels. It was because I found the show so funny & sweet that I had to go out and buy all those DVDs, one disc at a time. (Hint, hint, we're still waiting for the final season of that series, plus the OAVs, to be released by Funimation, too!)
Okay, I know I've ranted on for long enough. But we Conan fans are beyond frustrated, let me tell you! You guys make it sound like it's our fault for not buying the DVDs, when most U.S. Case Closed fans probably already have them. Then your legal dept. goes out hunting down fan-sites who are filling the void you left when you ABANDONED Conan and his fans! If you want the fans back, you guys have to do something to bring them back to you, not just keep on cutting off their other sources. They're not re-watching the first 130 episodes you guys dubbed, they're watching the 425 other episodes that HAVE NEVER BEEN RELEASED STATESIDE, AND ARE LIKELY NEVER GOING TO BE, EITHER!! Cut us a break here, please! The ball's in your court, we U.S. Conan fans have been waiting A LONG TIME for you to serve!
At otakon supposedly they are announcing an old classic title, does that sound familiar to anyone
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