"why do these animes get the 5 star effort and treatment and then the anime I want is thrown together?"
I think this is probably the real issue. Penguindrum is a low-profile, niche title that has next to no mainstream appeal. It's targeted at a very specific, very small portion of the fandom. In other words, it's not going to make them a lot of money. So it's easy to assume that Sentai just put out a bare-minimum effort release to sell to those fans that they knew wanted it and move on to working on Epic Boob Ninjas 5. It sounds cynical, but you have to wonder what kind of effort Penguidrum would have gotten if the penguins were anthropomorphized as highschool girls with huge tits. I don't think Foster is incompetent, I just think he knows where his money is coming from.
As a fan who doesn't quite fit into the mainstream, its easy for me to feel slighted and betrayed. Why should I give money to a company that doesn't seem to really care all that much about me? Especially with companies like Aniplex or NISA who put out super high-quality releases for the shows that I enjoy.
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And then there's all the stupid colloquialisms and pop-culture references he just loves to throw in. Nothing makes a script more cringeworthy than dating it with references that will be meaningless after a decade.
The biggest thing is that when Funimation does it, nobody complains here and attacks those who complain. When Sentai does it, everyone complains here like there is no tomorrow. Double standards aren't a nice thing to exhibit or practice. Like with Steins;Gate for example. That dub was just as cringeworthy (using 4ch memes, ick) as Penguindrum. Did anyone complain? Nope. But it is selling. And selling good. Both shows are. And that's unfortunate.
Foster can direct and do competent dubs, just the shows he does do well, don't sell very well or aren't relevant to people's interests. Look at Le Chevalier D'Eon. That was an incredibly serious show with an incredibly serious and well done dub. One of my all time favorite dubs right there. He's capable of good work but as Funimation has proven, anime need that modern day spice to appeal to a wider audience.
Double standards aren't a nice thing to exhibit or practice. Like with Steins;Gate for example. That dub was just as cringeworthy (using 4ch memes, ick)
The difference is those were still in the original script(the 2chan versions, anyways.) And if you didn't like the dub, you could switch to the reasonably faithful subtitle script.
I complain about funi's translations and dub scripts all the time, the thing about that is they're not usually attributable to a single person. All of Sentai's "bad dubs" were helmed almost exclusively by Steven Foster. After a while, it looks less like careless editing or simple mistakes and more like somebody just isn't doing their job.
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Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember Her, you are not alone.
The biggest thing is that when Funimation does it, nobody complains here and attacks those who complain. When Sentai does it, everyone complains here like there is no tomorrow. Double standards aren't a nice thing to exhibit or practice. Like with Steins;Gate for example. That dub was just as cringeworthy (using 4ch memes, ick) as Penguindrum. Did anyone complain? Nope. But it is selling. And selling good. Both shows are. And that's unfortunate.
I thought the Stein's ;Gate dub was very well done, my only issue was that they left out the "I am mad scientist; it's sooooooo coooooool, sunofabitch!" and replaced with hip hop talk - that's my only issue, otherwise, Tatum is the man.
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I think this is probably the real issue. Penguindrum is a low-profile, niche title that has next to no mainstream appeal. It's targeted at a very specific, very small portion of the fandom. In other words, it's not going to make them a lot of money. So it's easy to assume that Sentai just put out a bare-minimum effort release to sell to those fans that they knew wanted it and move on to working on Epic Boob Ninjas 5. It sounds cynical, but you have to wonder what kind of effort Penguidrum would have gotten if the penguins were anthropomorphized as highschool girls with huge tits. I don't think Foster is incompetent, I just think he knows where his money is coming from.
You see what that is don't you? Arrogance on their part, the mentality of putting more effort into a hyped anime that will sell more because it's a high action, or an ecchi or a big franchise and leaving the smaller titles with second class treatment. I can understand your resentment. But based on this, youcan see why arrogance is not strength or a good thing.
Therefore, I see an opportunity here for empathy. The animosity you feel about them being arrogant and inconsiderate of the titles you've come to love, for me it is comparable to people, like yourself and others who assume only certain animes are worthy of being called art. I cringe when people say any mainstream series, such as FMA or an ecchi, or a comedy, action etc. is looked down upon with little to no respect. It's also simular to fans who like material such as Princess Jellyfish and Fruits Basket, both are great animes, but when people believe they are more "intelligent" or "cerebral" than say Black Lagoon, Moribito or FMA because those animes have action and suspense in them, and PJ and FB are more slow paced, dialogue driven (although PJ was very good as a comedy) that also irks me to no end.
This is because I sit and watch all this different material and I find the animes I get into I can appreciate the work that went into them regardless of what genre they belong too. And this is the problem right here; art is subjective, it's left to interpretation. This is why I can take a variety of series like Evangelion, FMA, Queen's Blade, Fractale etc. and get something deeper out of them when I watch them, it's why every year or two I revisit some of my favorite series. I know you're going to disagree with what I'm saying, but I'm calling things as I see them and my reasoning for liking different animes.
Now, I will admit, there are some exceptions to this, there are opinions out there I actually have no respect for because the person who has them fails to provide any evidence to back their opinion. A perfect example are the series Puella Magi Madoka Magica, I have my issues with the series, however, it is a good series, and then a top favorite of mine, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood everyone should at the bare minimum, give both these series a chance. What I'm getting at here is that I had a debate with a girl a little while ago who made the ludacris claim that PMMM was misogynistic because it had violence towards the female characters.
She's one of these pop culture people who want to see strong female characters kick all sorts of ass - just so long as those characters never get hurt or killed, and they're kicking all sorts of male ass. She failed to understand that PMMM completely takes roles reserved for male leads and puts women into them. However, that comes at a price, while some of the characters succeed and are heroes, others will die, and quite gruesomely I might add, some will turn to villains, and overall they have flaws. This is why characters like Spiderman and Wolverine are so popular, they're not perfect, and they lose sometimes, and sometimes they screw up.
I cam e to this epiphany when I was watching the Indiana Jones series, Harrison Ford is this kick ass hero doing all sorts of cool stuff, he's a guy, where's the female ass kicker? There's none. Sexist! Hold on, who gets eaten alive by ants? Who gets crushed? Who are stuck on a boat when it explodes? Who drinks from a false grail and dies a horrific death? Who are constantly getting shot up? Who opens up the Ark and gets melted alive? Who are the scum of the world on these movies? Men. Yes, they have a male hero up front, but then the most evil characters are also male - that's the two say street many people seem to forget about. PMMM follows the same idea and that's why I feel it has garnered such a loyal fanbase and why I can respect it as a piece of fiction.
So this is an opinion I completely disagree with and in terms of this particular topic, I'm working on a report/essay in my free time which will consist of mostly new material and some of my writings from my gender studies courses, and once completed I will post in my blog section here. My intention is to shed some light on some of the fallicies people have when it comes to fiction and why I strongly disagree with much of what's being said from both men's and women's groups, and example would be the bechdel test; the more I look into it, or apply it the other way it's just completely flawed, I can't believe some people use it as a tangable method of grading any fictional work. And, as always, it's just how I see things and why I have a line of what offends me, and once it's done, if you read it, you may be surprised, of course, I have to finish it first, so darn busy these days.
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As a fan who doesn't quite fit into the mainstream, its easy for me to feel slighted and betrayed. Why should I give money to a company that doesn't seem to really care all that much about me? Especially with companies like Aniplex or NISA who put out super high-quality releases for the shows that I enjoy
Yeah but, isn't everyone and their dog complaining about the lackluster english dub for Puella Magi Madoka Magica? I'm sure if I watched it in english I wouldn't have too much of an issue, and I know many of these opinions come from biased sources of people who prefer the Japanese track for whatever reason.
Sentai already told Steve Blum no to him having any roles in the show. He posted this on his twitter, as Steve himself tried tooth and nail to get into the show. That's strike 1.
I never saw what was so bad about the HOTD dub by Foster. All I saw was alot of people taking the Sarah Palin joke to far. I've heard great things about The World Only God Knows dub (It has Chris Mothatruckin Patton) the only one to voice Gintoki in english with it working.
If anything? I'd like it if they brought Kristi Reed back in to do some of their dubs. They had her handle the dub for Persona 4 The Animation, and she was very kind to the VA's, and their reception of things to be readjusted to her script (Lowenthal commented on putting a line from the game that he said had to be put in, and she did such with ease). She's also the director who did the main BlazBlue game dubs, Yugioh Zexal (NOT 4kids version), and Durarara!! she's usually VERY faithful to the scripts and does excellent casting.
To be fair Sentai has one of the best dub directors in the industry Matt Greenfield anyone know if he is working on anything right now? And I have enjoyed a few of Fosters dubs such as Un-go and Ghost Hound (both of which are about as cult hit as pengiun drum. I havent seen it or HSOTD so I cant comment on those dubs.) Out of curiousity what does everyone think about the "other" Sentai Director Chris Aryes?
Switching gears completely it looks like section 23 is starting to take Madien Japan seriously. Really hope they continue giving the imprint high quality titles. Patlabor is a great franchise. Really hoping they re release the whole thing. And finally TOKYO MAGNITUDE 8.0!!! GETTING A DUB!!! It will be intresting to see how that does.
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To be fair Sentai has one of the best dub directors in the industry Matt Greenfield anyone know if he is working on anything right now? And I have enjoyed a few of Fosters dubs such as Un-go and Ghost Hound (both of which are about as cult hit as pengiun drum. I havent seen it or HSOTD so I cant comment on those dubs.) Out of curiousity what does everyone think about the "other" Sentai Director Chris Aryes?
Don't think Matt Greenfield has done anything for a while and that's a shame, Sentai's wasting talent by keeping him on the sidelines. Chris Ayres I get the impression despite being handed most of the fanservice titles Sentai gets tries to keep an air of professionalism to his work. Other than the fanservice, he's handed the period pieces as well and I think that's where his attention to detail shines best (ref. Night Raid 1931, Intrigue in the Bakumatsu).
If anything? I'd like it if they brought Kristi Reed back in to do some of their dubs. They had her handle the dub for Persona 4 The Animation, and she was very kind to the VA's, and their reception of things to be readjusted to her script (Lowenthal commented on putting a line from the game that he said had to be put in, and she did such with ease). She's also the director who did the main BlazBlue game dubs, Yugioh Zexal (NOT 4kids version), and Durarara!! she's usually VERY faithful to the scripts and does excellent casting.
One problem with that...that cast is in LA, they out-sourced the work to Bang Zoom, so to keep the VAs and director all the same
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“In order to protect something precious, you must find it first.”- Vata Raven
Therefore, I see an opportunity here for empathy. The animosity you feel about them being arrogant and inconsiderate of the titles you've come to love, for me it is comparable to people, like yourself and others who assume only certain animes are worthy of being called art. I cringe when people say any mainstream series, such as FMA or an ecchi, or a comedy, action etc. is looked down upon with little to no respect. It's also simular to fans who like material such as Princess Jellyfish and Fruits Basket, both are great animes, but when people believe they are more "intelligent" or "cerebral" than say Black Lagoon, Moribito or FMA because those animes have action and suspense in them, and PJ and FB are more slow paced, dialogue driven (although PJ was very good as a comedy) that also irks me to no end.
This is because I sit and watch all this different material and I find the animes I get into I can appreciate the work that went into them regardless of what genre they belong too. And this is the problem right here; art is subjective, it's left to interpretation. This is why I can take a variety of series like Evangelion, FMA, Queen's Blade, Fractale etc. and get something deeper out of them when I watch them, it's why every year or two I revisit some of my favorite series. I know you're going to disagree with what I'm saying, but I'm calling things as I see them and my reasoning for liking different animes.
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I really appreciate what you say here.Even if I am not a big fan of many of the shows you list. I wish more of "intellgent" Fandom (two words I use very lightly.) were that open minded.
Also very exicted by Madien japans new title Ballad of a Shinigami . I have gone from haiting there entire library to being more excited than anything about three shows in there catalog. I am suprised consedring there age that Tokyo Magnitude and Ballad are getting dubs. But I am not complaining.
I think this is probably the real issue. Penguindrum is a low-profile, niche title that has next to no mainstream appeal. It's targeted at a very specific, very small portion of the fandom. In other words, it's not going to make them a lot of money. So it's easy to assume that Sentai just put out a bare-minimum effort release to sell to those fans that they knew wanted it and move on to working on Epic Boob Ninjas 5. It sounds cynical, but you have to wonder what kind of effort Penguidrum would have gotten if the penguins were anthropomorphized as highschool girls with huge tits. I don't think Foster is incompetent, I just think he knows where his money is coming from.
As a fan who doesn't quite fit into the mainstream, its easy for me to feel slighted and betrayed. Why should I give money to a company that doesn't seem to really care all that much about me? Especially with companies like Aniplex or NISA who put out super high-quality releases for the shows that I enjoy.
Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember Her, you are not alone.
The biggest thing is that when Funimation does it, nobody complains here and attacks those who complain. When Sentai does it, everyone complains here like there is no tomorrow. Double standards aren't a nice thing to exhibit or practice. Like with Steins;Gate for example. That dub was just as cringeworthy (using 4ch memes, ick) as Penguindrum. Did anyone complain? Nope. But it is selling. And selling good. Both shows are. And that's unfortunate.
Foster can direct and do competent dubs, just the shows he does do well, don't sell very well or aren't relevant to people's interests. Look at Le Chevalier D'Eon. That was an incredibly serious show with an incredibly serious and well done dub. One of my all time favorite dubs right there. He's capable of good work but as Funimation has proven, anime need that modern day spice to appeal to a wider audience.
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The difference is those were still in the original script(the 2chan versions, anyways.) And if you didn't like the dub, you could switch to the reasonably faithful subtitle script.
I complain about funi's translations and dub scripts all the time, the thing about that is they're not usually attributable to a single person. All of Sentai's "bad dubs" were helmed almost exclusively by Steven Foster. After a while, it looks less like careless editing or simple mistakes and more like somebody just isn't doing their job.
Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember Her, you are not alone.
I thought the Stein's ;Gate dub was very well done, my only issue was that they left out the "I am mad scientist; it's sooooooo coooooool, sunofabitch!" and replaced with hip hop talk - that's my only issue, otherwise, Tatum is the man.
You see what that is don't you? Arrogance on their part, the mentality of putting more effort into a hyped anime that will sell more because it's a high action, or an ecchi or a big franchise and leaving the smaller titles with second class treatment. I can understand your resentment. But based on this, youcan see why arrogance is not strength or a good thing.
Therefore, I see an opportunity here for empathy. The animosity you feel about them being arrogant and inconsiderate of the titles you've come to love, for me it is comparable to people, like yourself and others who assume only certain animes are worthy of being called art. I cringe when people say any mainstream series, such as FMA or an ecchi, or a comedy, action etc. is looked down upon with little to no respect. It's also simular to fans who like material such as Princess Jellyfish and Fruits Basket, both are great animes, but when people believe they are more "intelligent" or "cerebral" than say Black Lagoon, Moribito or FMA because those animes have action and suspense in them, and PJ and FB are more slow paced, dialogue driven (although PJ was very good as a comedy) that also irks me to no end.
This is because I sit and watch all this different material and I find the animes I get into I can appreciate the work that went into them regardless of what genre they belong too. And this is the problem right here; art is subjective, it's left to interpretation. This is why I can take a variety of series like Evangelion, FMA, Queen's Blade, Fractale etc. and get something deeper out of them when I watch them, it's why every year or two I revisit some of my favorite series. I know you're going to disagree with what I'm saying, but I'm calling things as I see them and my reasoning for liking different animes.
Now, I will admit, there are some exceptions to this, there are opinions out there I actually have no respect for because the person who has them fails to provide any evidence to back their opinion. A perfect example are the series Puella Magi Madoka Magica, I have my issues with the series, however, it is a good series, and then a top favorite of mine, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood everyone should at the bare minimum, give both these series a chance. What I'm getting at here is that I had a debate with a girl a little while ago who made the ludacris claim that PMMM was misogynistic because it had violence towards the female characters.
She's one of these pop culture people who want to see strong female characters kick all sorts of ass - just so long as those characters never get hurt or killed, and they're kicking all sorts of male ass. She failed to understand that PMMM completely takes roles reserved for male leads and puts women into them. However, that comes at a price, while some of the characters succeed and are heroes, others will die, and quite gruesomely I might add, some will turn to villains, and overall they have flaws. This is why characters like Spiderman and Wolverine are so popular, they're not perfect, and they lose sometimes, and sometimes they screw up.
I cam e to this epiphany when I was watching the Indiana Jones series, Harrison Ford is this kick ass hero doing all sorts of cool stuff, he's a guy, where's the female ass kicker? There's none. Sexist! Hold on, who gets eaten alive by ants? Who gets crushed? Who are stuck on a boat when it explodes? Who drinks from a false grail and dies a horrific death? Who are constantly getting shot up? Who opens up the Ark and gets melted alive? Who are the scum of the world on these movies? Men. Yes, they have a male hero up front, but then the most evil characters are also male - that's the two say street many people seem to forget about. PMMM follows the same idea and that's why I feel it has garnered such a loyal fanbase and why I can respect it as a piece of fiction.
So this is an opinion I completely disagree with and in terms of this particular topic, I'm working on a report/essay in my free time which will consist of mostly new material and some of my writings from my gender studies courses, and once completed I will post in my blog section here. My intention is to shed some light on some of the fallicies people have when it comes to fiction and why I strongly disagree with much of what's being said from both men's and women's groups, and example would be the bechdel test; the more I look into it, or apply it the other way it's just completely flawed, I can't believe some people use it as a tangable method of grading any fictional work. And, as always, it's just how I see things and why I have a line of what offends me, and once it's done, if you read it, you may be surprised, of course, I have to finish it first, so darn busy these days.
Yeah but, isn't everyone and their dog complaining about the lackluster english dub for Puella Magi Madoka Magica? I'm sure if I watched it in english I wouldn't have too much of an issue, and I know many of these opinions come from biased sources of people who prefer the Japanese track for whatever reason.
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Sentai already told Steve Blum no to him having any roles in the show. He posted this on his twitter, as Steve himself tried tooth and nail to get into the show. That's strike 1.
I never saw what was so bad about the HOTD dub by Foster. All I saw was alot of people taking the Sarah Palin joke to far. I've heard great things about The World Only God Knows dub (It has Chris Mothatruckin Patton) the only one to voice Gintoki in english with it working.
If anything? I'd like it if they brought Kristi Reed back in to do some of their dubs. They had her handle the dub for Persona 4 The Animation, and she was very kind to the VA's, and their reception of things to be readjusted to her script (Lowenthal commented on putting a line from the game that he said had to be put in, and she did such with ease). She's also the director who did the main BlazBlue game dubs, Yugioh Zexal (NOT 4kids version), and Durarara!! she's usually VERY faithful to the scripts and does excellent casting.
To be fair Sentai has one of the best dub directors in the industry Matt Greenfield anyone know if he is working on anything right now? And I have enjoyed a few of Fosters dubs such as Un-go and Ghost Hound (both of which are about as cult hit as pengiun drum. I havent seen it or HSOTD so I cant comment on those dubs.) Out of curiousity what does everyone think about the "other" Sentai Director Chris Aryes?
Switching gears completely it looks like section 23 is starting to take Madien Japan seriously. Really hope they continue giving the imprint high quality titles. Patlabor is a great franchise. Really hoping they re release the whole thing. And finally TOKYO MAGNITUDE 8.0!!! GETTING A DUB!!! It will be intresting to see how that does.
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Don't think Matt Greenfield has done anything for a while and that's a shame, Sentai's wasting talent by keeping him on the sidelines. Chris Ayres I get the impression despite being handed most of the fanservice titles Sentai gets tries to keep an air of professionalism to his work. Other than the fanservice, he's handed the period pieces as well and I think that's where his attention to detail shines best (ref. Night Raid 1931, Intrigue in the Bakumatsu).
One problem with that...that cast is in LA, they out-sourced the work to Bang Zoom, so to keep the VAs and director all the same
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Running Switchblade Pictures/Maiden Japan is probably keeping him busy.
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Therefore, I see an opportunity here for empathy. The animosity you feel about them being arrogant and inconsiderate of the titles you've come to love, for me it is comparable to people, like yourself and others who assume only certain animes are worthy of being called art. I cringe when people say any mainstream series, such as FMA or an ecchi, or a comedy, action etc. is looked down upon with little to no respect. It's also simular to fans who like material such as Princess Jellyfish and Fruits Basket, both are great animes, but when people believe they are more "intelligent" or "cerebral" than say Black Lagoon, Moribito or FMA because those animes have action and suspense in them, and PJ and FB are more slow paced, dialogue driven (although PJ was very good as a comedy) that also irks me to no end.
This is because I sit and watch all this different material and I find the animes I get into I can appreciate the work that went into them regardless of what genre they belong too. And this is the problem right here; art is subjective, it's left to interpretation. This is why I can take a variety of series like Evangelion, FMA, Queen's Blade, Fractale etc. and get something deeper out of them when I watch them, it's why every year or two I revisit some of my favorite series. I know you're going to disagree with what I'm saying, but I'm calling things as I see them and my reasoning for liking different animes.
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I really appreciate what you say here.Even if I am not a big fan of many of the shows you list. I wish more of "intellgent" Fandom (two words I use very lightly.) were that open minded.
Also very exicted by Madien japans new title Ballad of a Shinigami . I have gone from haiting there entire library to being more excited than anything about three shows in there catalog. I am suprised consedring there age that Tokyo Magnitude and Ballad are getting dubs. But I am not complaining.
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Be Warned: I will talk your ear off on any topic Studio Bones related.