Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
neonwalrus wrote:
So, I’ll get the painfully obvious out of the way first, I do feel that Queen’s Blade really takes a massive beating. Yes, it has excessive ecchi fanservice in it, but it is a good and entertaining anime that defies many clichés. As there are many who may watch it for the fanservice, I choose to watch it for other reasons as I do with other ecchi anime.
I haven't heard that many bad opinions of Queen's Blade. Honestly, I think the fan service was actually pretty well balanced out in this anime as it was in Highschool of the Dead. I'm not trying to bring focus back to that anime, I'm just making a reference. When I first watched Queen's Blade on Crackle, I was just curious to see what it was about. I didn't even realize there was fan service until Melona and Leina started fighting, if you can call it that considering Leina got her butt kicked. That right there actually points out one of the interesting aspects of Queen's Blade; the main character doesn't yet know how to fight. In a lot of animes, the main character is either exceptionally skilled at what they do or knows a good deal but learns more. I liked how Leina didn't know anything right from the get-go.This allowed you to follow her as she learned and grew in her travels. Eventually she was pretty much "slapped in the face" when Risty told her that if she tried entering the Queen's Blade tournament with the amateur skills she currently possessed, she would be killed near instantly. With each fight, she learned a little more and eventually became a very skilled warrior.
It seems to me that more often than naught, anime with fan service seems to be ignored or get bad reviews because of the fan service itself instead of locical reasons. People put all their focus on the fan service and not into the story or character development, etc. I watched it out of curiosity, nothing more, but I liked it. And not because of the fan service. I'm a guy but I'm not a perv. Fan service does not make an anime good or bad.
Soundmonkey44 wrote:
OK so basically, this is a vent thread. Face it, we all have those anime that we love, that for some reason or another seem to get alot of hate from others, weather their popular or not, mainstream or niche, etc. Which makes sense, theres a lot of anime out there, and different people view shows in a different light. Thus the reason we can have such interesting and entertaining discussions/debates on set shows.
The main purpose of creating this thread may have been to vent, however, it seems to me that it serves a bigger purpose. It allows people to get a different perspective on some anime they may not have liked for one reason or another and possibly go back, watch it again, and change their opinions. It's also possible that some people who like an anime may gain a new perspective on it because someone else may have noticed something positive or negative about it they didn't.
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Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
neonwalrus wrote:
Okay, I'm sorry for the long posts, I get going and I start getting more ideas and I don't have too many people to talk anime with, and the ones I know here I don't want to.
Haha it's alright, I was just poking fun at how notoriously long they are
Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
As much as I find Anno's forced autism comment to be cold (I have Aspergers Syndrome) Shinji shared some of my issues from my suicidal depression but was still very different from me. I give Anno points for the TV ending but renounce the "best anime ever" idea and the movie as I have stated.
Many say Lost Universe had a bad dub and was an inferior series, paah! If it's so bad, why are my stories so unintentionally like Hajime Kanzaka's sci-fi great that has my all-time favorite song? After all, Volphied is the inspiration for my most beautiful original character, A.M.B or All-Mother Balancia and I am importing the light novels soon. The conflict between Volphied and Dark Star created the basis for my story's opposite system. Kane is a lot like me and my OC based on myself and will be a tribute to Kanzaka.
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Once upon a time, Lime from Saber Marionette was so cute with her hugs, a real person decided to give lots of hugs. THE END Megumi Hayashibara may be in her 40s, but she still looks adorable. Zzzzz....... Deficiency of cuteness detected, initiating Kawaii Cannon! There was a hug monster who gave lots of hugs and we all lived happily ever after. THE END
Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
Lots of NGE talk here, you know speaking of GAINAX, I can think of another anime from our favorite insane anime studio that gets alot of guff, I speak of course of....
I for one think this show gets a lot of overly negative feedback which while understandable is still sad, I think many people overlook the point of the show which is...
- [Supper Happy Adult Comedy Swim Fun Time!] As we all know P&SG was inspired by what some of the GAINAX peeps saw of U.S. Toons & TV at their hotel while visiting Pixar studios, as well of course a play on U.S. shows that were already popular in Japan (like PPG) In essence PS&G is their attempt to make something similar to a Comedy Central &/or [Adult Swim Original] And visually it succeeds at this, it seems only to be the content people debate over. Which leads me too
- Just what the **** Am I watching Is this Smart, Dumb, Honoring or Mocking!? Overall while P&SG is filled with A LOT of juvenile toilet humor, I think people are far to quick to take this at face value, the whole point of the show IMO any who is to take the cliches of both American & Japanese media to the extreme while both reveling in and mocking them. Basically Panty & Stocking is simultaneously paying tribute to and making fun of how insanely stupid yet at the same time insanely fun a lot of media can be. Its basically a love letter to both the good & bad aspects of animation and television in general, at least thats the way i see it.
So yes while P&SG may be lewd, crude, rude & downright INSANE! I can't help but love it, it serves as both a example of what animation is capable of when it goes no-holds bard, and a cautionary tale reminding us that at times we push things to far just for the sake of shock value & ratings. So I guess in way the show is an idiot savant, its both genius and retorted at the same times XD.
Oh and on a personal note, how can anyone hate a show that has two hot gals like Scanty & Kneesocks.
Remember Follow the RURURURURUES IF YOU WANT TO MAKE US HAPPY!
Yep. This is one show everyone should give a shot at least once, despite what the critics say!
Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
Unfortunately Sound, I have no interest in seeing P&S. One, because it's rated TV-MA, which is a no-no for me, and two, I've never much cared for grossout humor. If it's done cleverly, I can tolerate it, but since this show seems to be in the vein of Adult Swim shows, I doubt that's the case here.
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Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
Looneygamemaster, have you asked yourself what it might actually mean that you can't think of a single anime you enjoy that is controversial and/or criticized? I don't mean to call you out here, but it seems like you want to maintain the "socially accepted" mentality when it comes to any kind of media, not just anime. I could be completely wrong here, but anything you come across that's on the outside of that circle you draw is an automatic rejection.
Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
7jaws7 wrote:
Looneygamemaster, have you asked yourself what it might actually mean that you can't think of a single anime you enjoy that is controversial and/or criticized? I don't mean to call you out here, but it seems like you want to maintain the "socially accepted" mentality when it comes to any kind of media, not just anime. I could be completely wrong here, but anything you come across that's on the outside of that circle you draw is an automatic rejection.
Come to think of it you remind me how I rarely liked the major anime as they tend to activate my Aspergers Syndrome triggers for bad feelings, yet am compatible with some big ones.
You bring up a good point, Koi Kaze would have raised tons of eyebrows and from what I read, it is simply art.
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Once upon a time, Lime from Saber Marionette was so cute with her hugs, a real person decided to give lots of hugs. THE END Megumi Hayashibara may be in her 40s, but she still looks adorable. Zzzzz....... Deficiency of cuteness detected, initiating Kawaii Cannon! There was a hug monster who gave lots of hugs and we all lived happily ever after. THE END
Re: In Defense Of Anime What You Enjoy That Get Overly Negative Feedback!
@Loony: While I see where your coming from, honestly judging any work by its rating is rather silly imo, i mean not watching something merely because its TV-MA is just as silly as people that dismiss all-ages animations because they arn't "Mature enough" or something silly like that.
But again I do see where your coming from, as more often then not I don't care for the overly juvenile humor of most "Mature" media, but yeah, doesn't hurt to try to go out of your comfort zone once and awhile, or to try new things. And overall, nothing wrong with a guilty pleasure or two, as long as its not something too guilty, lol.
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Looneygamemaster, have you asked yourself what it might actually mean that you can't think of a single anime you enjoy that is controversial and/or criticized? I don't mean to call you out here, but it seems like you want to maintain the "socially accepted" mentality when it comes to any kind of media, not just anime. I could be completely wrong here, but anything you come across that's on the outside of that circle you draw is an automatic rejection.
I apologize if I came off as narrow-minded. I am somewhat hesitant to step out of my "comfort zone," if you will. But I don't think it's wrong to have personal standards dictate what you will and won't watch.
I don't wish to offend anyone, and since, as you said, I can't seem to think of anime for this topic, this'll be my last post in this thread. Again, sorry.
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"Of course you realize, this means war!" -- Bugs Bunny
I haven't heard that many bad opinions of Queen's Blade. Honestly, I think the fan service was actually pretty well balanced out in this anime as it was in Highschool of the Dead. I'm not trying to bring focus back to that anime, I'm just making a reference. When I first watched Queen's Blade on Crackle, I was just curious to see what it was about. I didn't even realize there was fan service until Melona and Leina started fighting, if you can call it that considering Leina got her butt kicked. That right there actually points out one of the interesting aspects of Queen's Blade; the main character doesn't yet know how to fight. In a lot of animes, the main character is either exceptionally skilled at what they do or knows a good deal but learns more. I liked how Leina didn't know anything right from the get-go.This allowed you to follow her as she learned and grew in her travels. Eventually she was pretty much "slapped in the face" when Risty told her that if she tried entering the Queen's Blade tournament with the amateur skills she currently possessed, she would be killed near instantly. With each fight, she learned a little more and eventually became a very skilled warrior.
It seems to me that more often than naught, anime with fan service seems to be ignored or get bad reviews because of the fan service itself instead of locical reasons. People put all their focus on the fan service and not into the story or character development, etc. I watched it out of curiosity, nothing more, but I liked it. And not because of the fan service. I'm a guy but I'm not a perv. Fan service does not make an anime good or bad.
The main purpose of creating this thread may have been to vent, however, it seems to me that it serves a bigger purpose. It allows people to get a different perspective on some anime they may not have liked for one reason or another and possibly go back, watch it again, and change their opinions. It's also possible that some people who like an anime may gain a new perspective on it because someone else may have noticed something positive or negative about it they didn't.
"When you truly care about someone, you don't need any specific reasons to justify your feelings. If you don't know why you feel the way you do, then you can't lose that which causes you to care."
Haha it's alright, I was just poking fun at how notoriously long they are
As much as I find Anno's forced autism comment to be cold (I have Aspergers Syndrome) Shinji shared some of my issues from my suicidal depression but was still very different from me. I give Anno points for the TV ending but renounce the "best anime ever" idea and the movie as I have stated.
Many say Lost Universe had a bad dub and was an inferior series, paah! If it's so bad, why are my stories so unintentionally like Hajime Kanzaka's sci-fi great that has my all-time favorite song? After all, Volphied is the inspiration for my most beautiful original character, A.M.B or All-Mother Balancia and I am importing the light novels soon. The conflict between Volphied and Dark Star created the basis for my story's opposite system. Kane is a lot like me and my OC based on myself and will be a tribute to Kanzaka.
Once upon a time, Lime from Saber Marionette was so cute with her hugs, a real person decided to give lots of hugs. THE END Megumi Hayashibara may be in her 40s, but she still looks adorable. Zzzzz....... Deficiency of cuteness detected, initiating Kawaii Cannon! There was a hug monster who gave lots of hugs and we all lived happily ever after. THE END
Lots of NGE talk here, you know speaking of GAINAX, I can think of another anime from our favorite insane anime studio that gets alot of guff, I speak of course of....
I for one think this show gets a lot of overly negative feedback which while understandable is still sad, I think many people overlook the point of the show which is...
- [Supper Happy Adult Comedy Swim Fun Time!] As we all know P&SG was inspired by what some of the GAINAX peeps saw of U.S. Toons & TV at their hotel while visiting Pixar studios, as well of course a play on U.S. shows that were already popular in Japan (like PPG) In essence PS&G is their attempt to make something similar to a Comedy Central &/or [Adult Swim Original] And visually it succeeds at this, it seems only to be the content people debate over. Which leads me too
- Just what the **** Am I watching Is this Smart, Dumb, Honoring or Mocking!? Overall while P&SG is filled with A LOT of juvenile toilet humor, I think people are far to quick to take this at face value, the whole point of the show IMO any who is to take the cliches of both American & Japanese media to the extreme while both reveling in and mocking them. Basically Panty & Stocking is simultaneously paying tribute to and making fun of how insanely stupid yet at the same time insanely fun a lot of media can be. Its basically a love letter to both the good & bad aspects of animation and television in general, at least thats the way i see it.
So yes while P&SG may be lewd, crude, rude & downright INSANE! I can't help but love it, it serves as both a example of what animation is capable of when it goes no-holds bard, and a cautionary tale reminding us that at times we push things to far just for the sake of shock value & ratings. So I guess in way the show is an idiot savant, its both genius and retorted at the same times XD.
Oh and on a personal note, how can anyone hate a show that has two hot gals like Scanty & Kneesocks.
Remember Follow the RURURURURUES IF YOU WANT TO MAKE US HAPPY!
Yep. This is one show everyone should give a shot at least once, despite what the critics say!
EDIT: If my rant didn't convince you, I bet this video will! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr75PxkFOq4&list=FLnmpj6CiruIqfbEn7SkNzsw&index=12&feature=plpp_video
Isn't It Great To Different, Isn't It Great To Be Who You Are!? Once You Learn To Accept Yourself, You'll Become A Shining Star.
Unfortunately Sound, I have no interest in seeing P&S. One, because it's rated TV-MA, which is a no-no for me, and two, I've never much cared for grossout humor. If it's done cleverly, I can tolerate it, but since this show seems to be in the vein of Adult Swim shows, I doubt that's the case here.
"Of course you realize, this means war!" -- Bugs Bunny
"Here we gooooo!" -- Mario
Looneygamemaster, have you asked yourself what it might actually mean that you can't think of a single anime you enjoy that is controversial and/or criticized? I don't mean to call you out here, but it seems like you want to maintain the "socially accepted" mentality when it comes to any kind of media, not just anime. I could be completely wrong here, but anything you come across that's on the outside of that circle you draw is an automatic rejection.
Come to think of it you remind me how I rarely liked the major anime as they tend to activate my Aspergers Syndrome triggers for bad feelings, yet am compatible with some big ones.
You bring up a good point, Koi Kaze would have raised tons of eyebrows and from what I read, it is simply art.
Once upon a time, Lime from Saber Marionette was so cute with her hugs, a real person decided to give lots of hugs. THE END Megumi Hayashibara may be in her 40s, but she still looks adorable. Zzzzz....... Deficiency of cuteness detected, initiating Kawaii Cannon! There was a hug monster who gave lots of hugs and we all lived happily ever after. THE END
@Loony: While I see where your coming from, honestly judging any work by its rating is rather silly imo, i mean not watching something merely because its TV-MA is just as silly as people that dismiss all-ages animations because they arn't "Mature enough" or something silly like that.
But again I do see where your coming from, as more often then not I don't care for the overly juvenile humor of most "Mature" media, but yeah, doesn't hurt to try to go out of your comfort zone once and awhile, or to try new things. And overall, nothing wrong with a guilty pleasure or two, as long as its not something too guilty, lol.
also @Metal, love the quote in your sig.
Isn't It Great To Different, Isn't It Great To Be Who You Are!? Once You Learn To Accept Yourself, You'll Become A Shining Star.
I apologize if I came off as narrow-minded. I am somewhat hesitant to step out of my "comfort zone," if you will. But I don't think it's wrong to have personal standards dictate what you will and won't watch.
I don't wish to offend anyone, and since, as you said, I can't seem to think of anime for this topic, this'll be my last post in this thread. Again, sorry.
"Of course you realize, this means war!" -- Bugs Bunny
"Here we gooooo!" -- Mario
No need to apologize Looney, everyone has the right to their opinion.
Isn't It Great To Different, Isn't It Great To Be Who You Are!? Once You Learn To Accept Yourself, You'll Become A Shining Star.