I'm sort of indifferent to fanservice and I think it's an inevitability in anime. But you know what I wanna see? CHUBBY CHASER FANSERVICE! Seriously, we need more fatty love in anime!
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If You're Reading This, You Have Too Much Time On Your Hands...
Mostly just wanted to post to say, bravo soundmonkey! That was a pretty well put together rant, and I agree with a lot of what you said. Also somewhat surprised the thread hasn't escalated yet (doesn't seem like it will?).
As far as my personal view on fan service - I don't get anything from it, but do understand the appeal to a lot of folks, and can appreciate some of the humor that goes along with it. There are times when it all gets to be "too much," but it's never as big a turn-off as, say, stereotypical characters or a lazy plot.
@ Vata - He's already changed his position saying it's not realistic, so there's no need to berate him like that. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes, I seem to recall you're a proponent for some of your own that a lot of people here wouldn't like either. He, just like you, are entitled to those interests.
Oh, gee, I don't know, why the hell did I post what I did? I was typing my damn post when his comment came up. I stand by my side of it, at least when they draw the pretty boy designs, Japanese guys at least look like like that in real life, minus when given unnatural hair colors (but they're known to have pretty damn good hair dye over there). Japanese women aren't large chested, the biggest they might get is the way Anri is drawn in Durarara, that's their version of large of there. It's not like over in the US where a woman can get up to size H
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“In order to protect something precious, you must find it first.”- Vata Raven
Everyone has pretty much posted their opinion on it, mine prolly won't be any different but I might as well voice it out. I like my anime with some substance. Fanservice, just like social drinking is good in moderation, it's good to spice up an anime or give it some kind of comedy relief. Too much fanservice makes an anime too campy I won't be able to take it seriously and it loses the effect that it once had to draw me in.
It's good some of the time but not all of the time.
Oh boy, this went downhill quickly. Tell me when the storm is over....
But anyways, for the sake of argument, I'll make my opinion known. I have always thought that excessive fanservice is indecent, especially when it contributes nothing to the story line. If it contributes to the story line, fine. But when the whole point of a series is fanservice, then it just gets repetitive. There are alot of really good anime series that don't need fanservice. I'm NOT opposed to it, having seen a few fanservice-filled anime episodes myself, but I think a series can do perfectly fine without it.
@Soundmonkey44. Great post!!! You hit the nail on the head and I agree 100%. *applause*
I will not touch your pen to your paper. I will not touch it to your red paper. I will not touch it to your black paper. The white man will not see my mark again on his paper for the rest of my days on this Earth! - Red Cloud
Oh, gee, I don't know, why the hell did I post what I did? I was typing my damn post when his comment came up. I stand by my side of it, at least when they draw the pretty boy designs, Japanese guys at least look like like that in real life, minus when given unnatural hair colors (but they're known to have pretty damn good hair dye over there). Japanese women aren't large chested, the biggest they might get is the way Anri is drawn in Durarara, that's their version of large of there. It's not like over in the US where a woman can get up to size H
No offense, but I find that kind of unlikely, since according to the time code, his post went up at 1:58 AM, and yours went up at 2:51 AM, practically a full hour later. So unless you spent a full hour typing your post... though, I won't deny the possibility that the time code could be wrong, there's far weirder glitches happening on this forum all the time.
Either way, that's no excuse for you cursing and berating him, nor you cursing back to me either, which isn't exactly something you want to do to a moderator you know... He stated his side without attacking anyone, and then you fly in, cursing and mocking his whole statement, rather than being civil about your opposing viewpoint. Then you do the same to me for pointing out that it was uncalled for. You're not exactly setting a great track record here, and I for one expect you to behave better than this in the future.
As far as your 'side of it' versus his, I'm pretty sure not every real life Japanese male is as 'pretty boy' as character designs are, just like how not every Japanese female is flat chested.
@GYT: Wait, not every Japanese Female is flat chested!? Disgaea lied to me!!! XD
But ahh yeah @Vata What GYT said is right, its obviously fine to have an opposing view point to something, but no need to reply in such a rude & tactless manner.
Also speaking of fan-service, how come when it comes to gals with animal ears & tails, how come Neko's get all the love? Whats so great about cat girls? If you ask me Demon gals, Fox Gals & Wolf Gals are much better! *At least they know how to hunt XD* I say give them some more love!
just like how not every Japanese female is flat chested.
Lalalala I can't hear you!
Soundmonkey44 wrote:
Also speaking of fan-service, how come when it comes to gals with animal ears & tails, how come Neko's get all the love? Whats so great about cat girls? If you ask me Demon gals, Fox Gals & Wolf Gals are much better! *At least they know how to hunt XD* I say give them some more love!
Because cats are moé.
Anyways, here's a visual summation of my thoughts on fanservice(Probably NSFW):
Spoiler: Highlight to view
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Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember Her, you are not alone.
@Renzokuken; 1.Hilarious but 2. Unnecessacarily dramatic don't you think?
Anyway, I personally couldn't care less if an anime has fan service in it, most of the time, but there are some times where it's a bit annoying and others where you think, "Who's lame idea was this?"
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"When you truly care about someone, you don't need any specific reasons to justify your feelings. If you don't know why you feel the way you do, then you can't lose that which causes you to care."
Well, it’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but I have been busier than ever with work, a big class project and of course my bass, and actually watching anime – considering how many unwatched series are sitting on my shelf with more, finally coming after a hold up, courtesy of customs Canada, oh, and f#ck you – way to hold up an order and add two weeks to the wait time stupid a$$holes, and that’s the one with my Evengelion movies and Strike Witches too.
I’ve wanted to come back here and elaborate on what I’ve written earlier and address some of what has been said here and clarify my position on all this.
So, first of all, for me when it comes to fan service of any kind in anime, be it in the form of cameos, guro or ecchi among other forms – particularly ecchi because that’s what we’re mainly taking about here; my feeling towards ecchi animes is that same as any other anime. It has to be good, entertaining, and well executed for me to like it, it must have relatable, developed characters, and a good story – meaning it can be a more intricate story, or a simple linear story; basically as a wise person said; it must be well executed, so to say there is no creativity and/or poor writing is silly just to say the least. Since I’m on the subject, lack of creativity and poor writing can be found in every anime subgenre, as I mentioned earlier, I like an anime that has a good foundation/ the whole package and I do get that in many ecchi animes, however, the inverse is true too – I’ve seen a lot of subpar animes, and many of them weren’t ecchi ones either. So this mentality of automatically labeling an anime with moderate to heavy fan service as weak in the character and story department or that it must rely on fan service because it lacks a good foundation is rubbish. Basically good and bad anime comes up in all sub genres.
The basic story and characters are the foundation the entire series is built on; many individuals who enjoy ecchi animes still demand these components, otherwise, we don’t waste our time watching them. This rule applies to the way the ecchi fan service is executed in the anime as well. I can’t find a more simple way to put it; story and characters still matter, possibly more than ever. However, I know this applies to me and some others, but I’m quite sure there are many who watch these shows for other purposes, so be it, I’m not them.
“You said execution, so I thought to decapitate him, good thing I didn’t do it, so I can keep him then?”
Now, speaking of execution of the story, when it comes to fan service, the same sort of thing applies – when I watch an anime that is categorized, marketed and sold as an ecchi anime, aside from the basics story and characters I look at how the fan service is carried out as I mentioned earlier.
I look for innovative, clever ways they set up gags or surprises – obviously, there are the clichéd fail safe ones such as the token girl walks in on gynophobic male in bath, or the list of misunderstandings that always occur - some of which are still clever, and downright hilarious, ex. When on Queen’s Blade Tomoe tells Elina she shared lodgings with Leina and Elina misunderstands via yuri fan service images she imagines, I burst out laughing during this scene because it was well timed and with the characters in the scene, it worked – in other words – it was a well-executed part.
Of course though, getting down to it in terms of looking at the way the fan service is handled on an ecchi series I consider a few things, one being that the people making the series have to come out with better and more “original” gags aside from putting together a good foundation build from a good story and characters.
This why for example, I enjoyed Queen’s Blade, it has it all in terms of a good entertaining show, but the way they did it was very clever – by making the society a matriarchy and having it take place in a fantasy, castles and adventures genre, they have limitless possibilities in terms of coming up with new fan service scenes – and the best part; they bypassed the awkward gynophobic male and a lot of fan service clichés, although, the male can be done differently from what it has, Samurai Girls for example defies it by putting a strong, handsome and well-spoken male lead in – this is very refreshing, and I think this worked out very well in terms of his chemistry with the female cast on this particular series. Understand though, that I’m only using these as examples, I know these shows are definitely not for everyone and I put a word of caution on it as I would on any other ecchi fan service series.
Which brings me to my next point; I’ve heard a lot of people mention it’s good in moderation, true, I agree, but I see it differently. When I think moderation, I go about in terms of varying the anime I watch, after all, I can’t only watch these ecchi style animes, there’s a lot more out there, I need my animes like FMA, Evengelion, GunGrave, Fractale and Inuyasha. Aside from that, I also just take breaks from anime all together, sometimes I’m just not in the mood, sometimes I want older movies from a certain time, depends on how I feel.
“And then I looked over at her and said please b!tch this is my guy.”
Secondly, regarding moderation of fan service, I know a lot of series, more so now than ever, go the excessive route or the "all or nothing," path. Regardless I still go about viewing them the same way as stated before, so in other words, some I find good, some are crap, anybody ever hear of Koi Koi 7? Yeah, don’t watch it; it’s a perfect example of a poor ecchi anime, let alone anime. But to get to the heart of what I’m saying here, it depends on the anime and the type of anime it is, if an anime presents and is marketed as a fan service anime, and if there’s a lot in the first three minutes of the first episode guess what? There’s going to be a lot more – the way the viewer is lambasted with fan service in the first little bit of that anime; it’s a warning for those who dislike it and an invitation for those who have no issue with it. Basically, once a benchmark is set, for me it is not for the anime to stray too far from this in terms of the amount or level. I also want to add that I think many of these shows go as far as they do just to see what they can get away with.
However, relating to the previous paragraph, there are times when I take issue with ecchi fan service anime. This is generally when a scene is put in that truly disrupts the continuity of the series by being inconsistent with the way the rest of the fan service is executed, allow me to elaborate with some examples of these sins against anime and ecchi.
First example is High School of the Dead, I loved this series, it’s one of my favorites, but there is one issue I take with it – the bath scene – it would’ve worked in many other animes, but not on this series. First, the way most of the fan service is done is merging it with the action and fighting scenes, the viewer gets a sort of grindhouse/Rodriguez/ Tarantino sort of vibe, a marriage of sex and violence on the screen simultaneously. As a viewer, the bath scene (which was still a good scene, but didn’t belong on this series) was inconsistent with the rest of the fan service simply because it went further than the rest of it throughout the series. Also, with a zombie outbreak and everyone’s lives at stake, I highly doubt they’d be engaging in the activities shown during this scene along with the topic of conversation as well.
Second example is Steins;Gate, this anime is incredible, I anxiously await part 2, which will show up in my February order due to my recent order consolidation , it’s a great series, but my issue is the little snippets of fan service on this show. What I’m getting at here is that this series is in no way a fan service show, therefore, it should be non-existent, however, on two or three incidents, we get a view of Kurisu Makise’s crotch area, or labia if you want to get technical. As I mentioned, I adored this series thus far, and I know it will get even better yet, but my reaction consisted of me saying “what the f%ck.” Out loud.
Another sin to bring up, series not finishing – you know, I understand that sometimes a given show may not make as much cash as expected, but even when there’s commercial success, still no sequel. For example, Sekirei, I head it did very well, the last set ended on a cliff-hanger setting up something big for an anticipated season 3 and 4, but there has been nothing, no word of it being made. Instead, the industry chooses to make new fan service series rather than finishing the old ones, this pisses me off. Then there’s Freezing, ends the same way, this also applies to countless other animes like Tenjho Tenge and Mermaid Forest, but that’s another topic for another thread.
“Why do they not want to finish what they have started?”
As for other sins against ecchi anime, and anime in general, see Eiken, Green Green, Happy Lesson, Burn Up Scramble and Shuffle to name a few. Of course, this is only my opinion on the matter; I know many despise my favorites as well.
@Soundmonkey44 - I want to address that well written post, you see, it is possible to get your point across and be diplomatic, well done.
Anyways, since you’re touching on the state of the anime industry, I would like to address that as well. I do believe that to an extent that there is some pandering in the lines of fan service going on to make a quick buck for the anime industry, in other words a crutch, however I think even if the industry was in a boom right now we’d be getting the same stuff, here’s why – all this ecchi material coming out right now, it’s a fad, the current trend, in a few years, something else will come along and take its place. It was the same thing just a few years ago with the mecha phenomenon. I’m sure some franchises will continue like High School of the Dead and from what I’m hearing, Samurai Girls and Queen’s Blade Rebellion (because of their success), and there will always be new fan service titles coming out, but there won’t be as many coming as there are now.
Also, understand that there are many good to great series that came out in the last few years that weren’t fan service, some of which I know you enjoyed.
Which reminds me of another trend occurring; reboots. Lots of reboots. Now I’m quite pleased with this, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood was just plain amazing, I didn’t think they could outdo the original FMA series, but they did. Then there are those Evengelion Rebuild movies I can’t wait to watch with two more on the way along with that new Berserk movie series which will be beyond great, I can’t even put it into words how excited I am for that, maybe as excited as for the Hobbit (real soon). Then I’m sure all of you are looking forward to the upcoming Puella Magi Madoka Magica movies, even I am and I’m not even a fan boy for that, but it’s going to cover the TV series and then go beyond that, so I’m sure many of you are excited, don’t try to deny it.
“I tried the magic girl thing for a bit, being a vampire is easier.”
But there’s one more that outdoes all of this, an old favorite, wonder what it could be? Oh yeah, just a little show called Sailor Moon that is apparently coming out next summer, and I guarantee EVERYONE is going to watch it, even just for the sake of curiosity, it will be big, very big, bigger than anything.
So, the industry is also making reboots of series, even soon after their original broadcast, so there are other pandering methods occurring aside from the fan service that is coming out. So, once again, this fan service boogey man is not going to destroy or even harm the industry, anime has been around for a very long time, and will not be going away.
There is more I can bring up about this topic, but since this is quite long and especially after my last school project I had which was a debate, and for the record – me and the girl I was partnered with cleaned up on it, I don’t think it would be a good idea.
Either way, I know many will disagree with what I say, but, as always, this pertains to me and my viewing habits.
I'm sort of indifferent to fanservice and I think it's an inevitability in anime. But you know what I wanna see? CHUBBY CHASER FANSERVICE! Seriously, we need more fatty love in anime!
If You're Reading This, You Have Too Much Time On Your Hands...
^Haha, seriously.
Mostly just wanted to post to say, bravo soundmonkey! That was a pretty well put together rant, and I agree with a lot of what you said. Also somewhat surprised the thread hasn't escalated yet (doesn't seem like it will?).
As far as my personal view on fan service - I don't get anything from it, but do understand the appeal to a lot of folks, and can appreciate some of the humor that goes along with it. There are times when it all gets to be "too much," but it's never as big a turn-off as, say, stereotypical characters or a lazy plot.
Oh, gee, I don't know, why the hell did I post what I did? I was typing my damn post when his comment came up. I stand by my side of it, at least when they draw the pretty boy designs, Japanese guys at least look like like that in real life, minus when given unnatural hair colors (but they're known to have pretty damn good hair dye over there). Japanese women aren't large chested, the biggest they might get is the way Anri is drawn in Durarara, that's their version of large of there. It's not like over in the US where a woman can get up to size H
“In order to protect something precious, you must find it first.”- Vata Raven
Everyone has pretty much posted their opinion on it, mine prolly won't be any different but I might as well voice it out. I like my anime with some substance. Fanservice, just like social drinking is good in moderation, it's good to spice up an anime or give it some kind of comedy relief. Too much fanservice makes an anime too campy I won't be able to take it seriously and it loses the effect that it once had to draw me in.
It's good some of the time but not all of the time.
Video Gamer since 1990, Anime Fanatic since 1996
Oh boy, this went downhill quickly. Tell me when the storm is over....
But anyways, for the sake of argument, I'll make my opinion known. I have always thought that excessive fanservice is indecent, especially when it contributes nothing to the story line. If it contributes to the story line, fine. But when the whole point of a series is fanservice, then it just gets repetitive. There are alot of really good anime series that don't need fanservice. I'm NOT opposed to it, having seen a few fanservice-filled anime episodes myself, but I think a series can do perfectly fine without it.
@Soundmonkey44. Great post!!! You hit the nail on the head and I agree 100%. *applause*
I will not touch your pen to your paper. I will not touch it to your red paper. I will not touch it to your black paper. The white man will not see my mark again on his paper for the rest of my days on this Earth! - Red Cloud
from Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee
No offense, but I find that kind of unlikely, since according to the time code, his post went up at 1:58 AM, and yours went up at 2:51 AM, practically a full hour later. So unless you spent a full hour typing your post... though, I won't deny the possibility that the time code could be wrong, there's far weirder glitches happening on this forum all the time.
Either way, that's no excuse for you cursing and berating him, nor you cursing back to me either, which isn't exactly something you want to do to a moderator you know... He stated his side without attacking anyone, and then you fly in, cursing and mocking his whole statement, rather than being civil about your opposing viewpoint. Then you do the same to me for pointing out that it was uncalled for. You're not exactly setting a great track record here, and I for one expect you to behave better than this in the future.
As far as your 'side of it' versus his, I'm pretty sure not every real life Japanese male is as 'pretty boy' as character designs are, just like how not every Japanese female is flat chested.
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@GYT: Wait, not every Japanese Female is flat chested!? Disgaea lied to me!!! XD
But ahh yeah @Vata What GYT said is right, its obviously fine to have an opposing view point to something, but no need to reply in such a rude & tactless manner.
Also speaking of fan-service, how come when it comes to gals with animal ears & tails, how come Neko's get all the love? Whats so great about cat girls? If you ask me Demon gals, Fox Gals & Wolf Gals are much better! *At least they know how to hunt XD* I say give them some more love!
All Will Know The Wonder Of My Dark & Jewled Sky, When All The World Is Wrapped In An Eternal Lullabye.
Lalalala I can't hear you!
Because cats are moé.
Anyways, here's a visual summation of my thoughts on fanservice(Probably NSFW):
Don't forget. Always, somewhere, someone is fighting for you.
As long as you remember Her, you are not alone.
@Renzokuken; 1.Hilarious but 2. Unnecessacarily dramatic don't you think?
Anyway, I personally couldn't care less if an anime has fan service in it, most of the time, but there are some times where it's a bit annoying and others where you think, "Who's lame idea was this?"
"When you truly care about someone, you don't need any specific reasons to justify your feelings. If you don't know why you feel the way you do, then you can't lose that which causes you to care."
Well, it’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but I have been busier than ever with work, a big class project and of course my bass, and actually watching anime – considering how many unwatched series are sitting on my shelf with more, finally coming after a hold up, courtesy of customs Canada, oh, and f#ck you – way to hold up an order and add two weeks to the wait time stupid a$$holes, and that’s the one with my Evengelion movies and Strike Witches too.
I’ve wanted to come back here and elaborate on what I’ve written earlier and address some of what has been said here and clarify my position on all this.
So, first of all, for me when it comes to fan service of any kind in anime, be it in the form of cameos, guro or ecchi among other forms – particularly ecchi because that’s what we’re mainly taking about here; my feeling towards ecchi animes is that same as any other anime. It has to be good, entertaining, and well executed for me to like it, it must have relatable, developed characters, and a good story – meaning it can be a more intricate story, or a simple linear story; basically as a wise person said; it must be well executed, so to say there is no creativity and/or poor writing is silly just to say the least. Since I’m on the subject, lack of creativity and poor writing can be found in every anime subgenre, as I mentioned earlier, I like an anime that has a good foundation/ the whole package and I do get that in many ecchi animes, however, the inverse is true too – I’ve seen a lot of subpar animes, and many of them weren’t ecchi ones either. So this mentality of automatically labeling an anime with moderate to heavy fan service as weak in the character and story department or that it must rely on fan service because it lacks a good foundation is rubbish. Basically good and bad anime comes up in all sub genres.
The basic story and characters are the foundation the entire series is built on; many individuals who enjoy ecchi animes still demand these components, otherwise, we don’t waste our time watching them. This rule applies to the way the ecchi fan service is executed in the anime as well. I can’t find a more simple way to put it; story and characters still matter, possibly more than ever. However, I know this applies to me and some others, but I’m quite sure there are many who watch these shows for other purposes, so be it, I’m not them.
“You said execution, so I thought to decapitate him, good thing I didn’t do it, so I can keep him then?”
Now, speaking of execution of the story, when it comes to fan service, the same sort of thing applies – when I watch an anime that is categorized, marketed and sold as an ecchi anime, aside from the basics story and characters I look at how the fan service is carried out as I mentioned earlier.
I look for innovative, clever ways they set up gags or surprises – obviously, there are the clichéd fail safe ones such as the token girl walks in on gynophobic male in bath, or the list of misunderstandings that always occur - some of which are still clever, and downright hilarious, ex. When on Queen’s Blade Tomoe tells Elina she shared lodgings with Leina and Elina misunderstands via yuri fan service images she imagines, I burst out laughing during this scene because it was well timed and with the characters in the scene, it worked – in other words – it was a well-executed part.
Of course though, getting down to it in terms of looking at the way the fan service is handled on an ecchi series I consider a few things, one being that the people making the series have to come out with better and more “original” gags aside from putting together a good foundation build from a good story and characters.
This why for example, I enjoyed Queen’s Blade, it has it all in terms of a good entertaining show, but the way they did it was very clever – by making the society a matriarchy and having it take place in a fantasy, castles and adventures genre, they have limitless possibilities in terms of coming up with new fan service scenes – and the best part; they bypassed the awkward gynophobic male and a lot of fan service clichés, although, the male can be done differently from what it has, Samurai Girls for example defies it by putting a strong, handsome and well-spoken male lead in – this is very refreshing, and I think this worked out very well in terms of his chemistry with the female cast on this particular series. Understand though, that I’m only using these as examples, I know these shows are definitely not for everyone and I put a word of caution on it as I would on any other ecchi fan service series.
Which brings me to my next point; I’ve heard a lot of people mention it’s good in moderation, true, I agree, but I see it differently. When I think moderation, I go about in terms of varying the anime I watch, after all, I can’t only watch these ecchi style animes, there’s a lot more out there, I need my animes like FMA, Evengelion, GunGrave, Fractale and Inuyasha. Aside from that, I also just take breaks from anime all together, sometimes I’m just not in the mood, sometimes I want older movies from a certain time, depends on how I feel.
“And then I looked over at her and said please b!tch this is my guy.”
Secondly, regarding moderation of fan service, I know a lot of series, more so now than ever, go the excessive route or the "all or nothing," path. Regardless I still go about viewing them the same way as stated before, so in other words, some I find good, some are crap, anybody ever hear of Koi Koi 7? Yeah, don’t watch it; it’s a perfect example of a poor ecchi anime, let alone anime. But to get to the heart of what I’m saying here, it depends on the anime and the type of anime it is, if an anime presents and is marketed as a fan service anime, and if there’s a lot in the first three minutes of the first episode guess what? There’s going to be a lot more – the way the viewer is lambasted with fan service in the first little bit of that anime; it’s a warning for those who dislike it and an invitation for those who have no issue with it. Basically, once a benchmark is set, for me it is not for the anime to stray too far from this in terms of the amount or level. I also want to add that I think many of these shows go as far as they do just to see what they can get away with.
However, relating to the previous paragraph, there are times when I take issue with ecchi fan service anime. This is generally when a scene is put in that truly disrupts the continuity of the series by being inconsistent with the way the rest of the fan service is executed, allow me to elaborate with some examples of these sins against anime and ecchi.
First example is High School of the Dead, I loved this series, it’s one of my favorites, but there is one issue I take with it – the bath scene – it would’ve worked in many other animes, but not on this series. First, the way most of the fan service is done is merging it with the action and fighting scenes, the viewer gets a sort of grindhouse/Rodriguez/ Tarantino sort of vibe, a marriage of sex and violence on the screen simultaneously. As a viewer, the bath scene (which was still a good scene, but didn’t belong on this series) was inconsistent with the rest of the fan service simply because it went further than the rest of it throughout the series. Also, with a zombie outbreak and everyone’s lives at stake, I highly doubt they’d be engaging in the activities shown during this scene along with the topic of conversation as well.
Second example is Steins;Gate, this anime is incredible, I anxiously await part 2, which will show up in my February order due to my recent order consolidation , it’s a great series, but my issue is the little snippets of fan service on this show. What I’m getting at here is that this series is in no way a fan service show, therefore, it should be non-existent, however, on two or three incidents, we get a view of Kurisu Makise’s crotch area, or labia if you want to get technical. As I mentioned, I adored this series thus far, and I know it will get even better yet, but my reaction consisted of me saying “what the f%ck.” Out loud.
Another sin to bring up, series not finishing – you know, I understand that sometimes a given show may not make as much cash as expected, but even when there’s commercial success, still no sequel. For example, Sekirei, I head it did very well, the last set ended on a cliff-hanger setting up something big for an anticipated season 3 and 4, but there has been nothing, no word of it being made. Instead, the industry chooses to make new fan service series rather than finishing the old ones, this pisses me off. Then there’s Freezing, ends the same way, this also applies to countless other animes like Tenjho Tenge and Mermaid Forest, but that’s another topic for another thread.
“Why do they not want to finish what they have started?”
As for other sins against ecchi anime, and anime in general, see Eiken, Green Green, Happy Lesson, Burn Up Scramble and Shuffle to name a few. Of course, this is only my opinion on the matter; I know many despise my favorites as well.
@Soundmonkey44 - I want to address that well written post, you see, it is possible to get your point across and be diplomatic, well done.
Anyways, since you’re touching on the state of the anime industry, I would like to address that as well. I do believe that to an extent that there is some pandering in the lines of fan service going on to make a quick buck for the anime industry, in other words a crutch, however I think even if the industry was in a boom right now we’d be getting the same stuff, here’s why – all this ecchi material coming out right now, it’s a fad, the current trend, in a few years, something else will come along and take its place. It was the same thing just a few years ago with the mecha phenomenon. I’m sure some franchises will continue like High School of the Dead and from what I’m hearing, Samurai Girls and Queen’s Blade Rebellion (because of their success), and there will always be new fan service titles coming out, but there won’t be as many coming as there are now.
Also, understand that there are many good to great series that came out in the last few years that weren’t fan service, some of which I know you enjoyed.
Which reminds me of another trend occurring; reboots. Lots of reboots. Now I’m quite pleased with this, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood was just plain amazing, I didn’t think they could outdo the original FMA series, but they did. Then there are those Evengelion Rebuild movies I can’t wait to watch with two more on the way along with that new Berserk movie series which will be beyond great, I can’t even put it into words how excited I am for that, maybe as excited as for the Hobbit (real soon). Then I’m sure all of you are looking forward to the upcoming Puella Magi Madoka Magica movies, even I am and I’m not even a fan boy for that, but it’s going to cover the TV series and then go beyond that, so I’m sure many of you are excited, don’t try to deny it.
“I tried the magic girl thing for a bit, being a vampire is easier.”
But there’s one more that outdoes all of this, an old favorite, wonder what it could be? Oh yeah, just a little show called Sailor Moon that is apparently coming out next summer, and I guarantee EVERYONE is going to watch it, even just for the sake of curiosity, it will be big, very big, bigger than anything.
So, the industry is also making reboots of series, even soon after their original broadcast, so there are other pandering methods occurring aside from the fan service that is coming out. So, once again, this fan service boogey man is not going to destroy or even harm the industry, anime has been around for a very long time, and will not be going away.
There is more I can bring up about this topic, but since this is quite long and especially after my last school project I had which was a debate, and for the record – me and the girl I was partnered with cleaned up on it, I don’t think it would be a good idea.
Either way, I know many will disagree with what I say, but, as always, this pertains to me and my viewing habits.
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